Well let's plan to catch up on this later. I was hoping to play some
guitar this weekend anyway ... (01)
paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Thanks Pat and Rick
>
> How I wish I hadnt said anything now
>
> I do not intend to enter lenthy arguments about this trifle, so
> apologies for the brevity
>
> Pat
> read 'chaotic' intended as 'non linear'
> the web is chaotic statement does not mean that there is no logical
> pattern, but that the pattern is non linear, in that sense the web IS
> chaotic, (neither static nor periodic)
>
> rick
> a complex system is a chaotic system
>
> quick take from wikipedia:
> In the area of mathematics <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics>,
> arguably the largest contribution to the study of complex systems was
> the discovery of chaos <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory> in
> deterministic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterministic> systems, a
> feature of certain dynamical systems
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems> that is strongly
> related to nonlinearity <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinearity>.^[4]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_system#_note-3> The study of
> neural networks <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_networks> was also
> integral in advancing the mathematics needed to study complex systems.
>
> non time dependant perhaps
>
> thanks for the link to the study btw, most interesting
>
> the clusters identified may perhaps coincide with 'dense periodic
> orbits' that characterize complex systems
>
> also I wonder if fourier spectrum measurement would be applicable/yield
> the same results
> http://noosphere.princeton.edu/fourier.html
>
> from a whizzing quick look however, I am not sure that comparing the web
> to the two ontologies may lead to the said conclusion, I suspect that
> there might be a flaw in the logical fomulation of the study, however I
> reserve further comment til I study more of it
> maybe I just dont understand the rationale
>
> oh, how I wish I hadnt replied :-)
>
> cheers
>
> Paola Di Maio
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2008 10:07 PM, rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> Pat & All:
>
> apologies in advance if this is out of context, the volume of posts
> lately has been hard to keep up with ...
>
> Pat Hayes wrote:
> > At 12:01 PM +0700 2/16/08, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> John and all
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The web may be large and complex, but it is definitely *not*
> random
> >>
> >>
> >> can we agree on 'chaotic' instead, which is my interpretation
> of what
> >> 'random' was intended to purport in the context of this discussion
> >
> > 'Chaotic' means that the final state of a system depends on
> arbitrarily
> > small changes to its input. The Web isn't chaotic in this sense. I
> > wouldn't say that the Web is chaotic in any informal sense of the
> word,
> > either. Messy, it may well be. Fortunately, 'messy' hasn't yet got a
> > technical meaning.
> >
>
> Actually, the web is neither random or chaotic. It's been show to
> exhibit characteristics of a scale free network which obeys a power law.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale-free_network
>
> Some interesting research regarding how this is getting played out in
> RDF is available here ...
>
> http://rhizomik.net/livingsw/
>
> >
> > Pat
> >
>
> --
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> web http://www.rickmurphy.org
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>
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