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Re: [ontolog-forum] What words mean

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From: "rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:18:41 -0500
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Well let's plan to catch up on this later. I was hoping to play some 
guitar this weekend anyway ...    (01)

paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Thanks Pat and Rick
> 
> How I wish I hadnt said anything now
> 
> I do not intend to enter lenthy arguments about this trifle, so 
> apologies for the brevity
> 
> Pat
> read 'chaotic' intended as 'non linear'
> the web is chaotic statement does not mean that there is no logical 
> pattern, but that the pattern is non linear, in that sense the web IS 
> chaotic, (neither static nor periodic)
> 
> rick
> a complex system is a chaotic system
> 
> quick take from wikipedia:
> In the area of mathematics <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics>, 
> arguably the largest contribution to the study of complex systems was 
> the discovery of chaos <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory> in 
> deterministic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterministic> systems, a 
> feature of certain dynamical systems 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems> that is strongly 
> related to nonlinearity <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinearity>.^[4] 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_system#_note-3> The study of 
> neural networks <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neural_networks> was also 
> integral in advancing the mathematics needed to study complex systems.
> 
> non time dependant perhaps
> 
> thanks for the link to the study btw, most interesting
> 
> the clusters identified may perhaps coincide with 'dense periodic 
> orbits' that characterize complex systems
> 
> also I wonder if fourier spectrum measurement would be applicable/yield 
> the same results
> http://noosphere.princeton.edu/fourier.html
> 
> from a whizzing quick look however, I am not sure that comparing the web 
> to the two ontologies may lead to the said conclusion, I suspect that 
> there might be a flaw in the logical fomulation of the study, however I 
> reserve further comment til I study more of it
> maybe I just dont understand the rationale
> 
> oh, how I wish I hadnt replied  :-)
> 
> cheers
> 
> Paola Di Maio
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 16, 2008 10:07 PM, rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     Pat & All:
> 
>     apologies in advance if this is out of context, the volume of posts
>     lately has been hard to keep up with ...
> 
>     Pat Hayes wrote:
>      > At 12:01 PM +0700 2/16/08, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>      >> John and all
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>
>      >>     The web may be large and complex, but it is definitely *not*
>     random
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> can we agree on 'chaotic'  instead, which is my interpretation
>     of what
>      >> 'random' was intended to purport in the context of this discussion
>      >
>      > 'Chaotic' means that the final state of a system depends on
>     arbitrarily
>      > small changes to its input. The Web isn't chaotic in this sense. I
>      > wouldn't say that the Web is chaotic in any informal sense of the
>     word,
>      > either. Messy, it may well be. Fortunately, 'messy' hasn't yet got a
>      > technical meaning.
>      >
> 
>     Actually, the web is neither random or chaotic. It's been show to
>     exhibit characteristics of a scale free network which obeys a power law.
> 
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale-free_network
> 
>     Some interesting research regarding how this is getting played out in
>     RDF is available here ...
> 
>     http://rhizomik.net/livingsw/
> 
>      >
>      > Pat
>      >
> 
>     --
>     Thanks Rick,
>     blog http://spout.rickmurphy.org
>     web  http://www.rickmurphy.org
>     cell 703-201-9129
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Thanks Rick,
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cell 703-201-9129    (03)

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