Re: [ontolog-forum] What words mean

[paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx]

Thanks Pat and Rick

How I wish I hadnt said anything now

I do not intend to enter lenthy arguments about this trifle, so apologies for the brevity

Pat 
read 'chaotic' intended as 'non linear'
the web is chaotic statement does not mean that there is no logical pattern, but that the pattern is non linear, in that sense the web IS chaotic, (neither static nor periodic)

rick
a complex system is a chaotic system

quick take from wikipedia:
In the area of mathematics, arguably the largest contribution to the study of complex systems was the discovery of chaos in deterministic systems, a feature of certain dynamical systems that is strongly related to nonlinearity.[4] The study of neural networks was also integral in advancing the mathematics needed to study complex systems.

non time dependant perhaps

thanks for the link to the study btw, most interesting

the clusters identified may perhaps coincide with 'dense periodic orbits' that characterize complex systems

also I wonder if fourier spectrum measurement would be applicable/yield the same results
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/fourier.html

from a whizzing quick look however, I am not sure that comparing the web to the two ontologies may lead to the said conclusion, I suspect that there might be a flaw in the logical fomulation of the study, however I reserve further comment til I study more of it
maybe I just dont understand the rationale

oh, how I wish I hadnt replied  :-)

cheers

Paola Di Maio

On Feb 16, 2008 10:07 PM, rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <rick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Pat & All:

apologies in advance if this is out of context, the volume of posts
lately has been hard to keep up with ...

Pat Hayes wrote:
> At 12:01 PM +0700 2/16/08, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> John and all
>>
>>
>>
>>     The web may be large and complex, but it is definitely *not* random
>>
>>
>> can we agree on 'chaotic'  instead, which is my interpretation of what
>> 'random' was intended to purport in the context of this discussion
>
> 'Chaotic' means that the final state of a system depends on arbitrarily
> small changes to its input. The Web isn't chaotic in this sense. I
> wouldn't say that the Web is chaotic in any informal sense of the word,
> either. Messy, it may well be. Fortunately, 'messy' hasn't yet got a
> technical meaning.
>

Actually, the web is neither random or chaotic. It's been show to
exhibit characteristics of a scale free network which obeys a power law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale-free_network

Some interesting research regarding how this is getting played out in
RDF is available here ...

http://rhizomik.net/livingsw/

>
> Pat
>

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