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Re: [ontolog-forum] CL, CG, IKL and the relationship between symbols in

To: Alan Ruttenberg <alanruttenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Jonathan Rees <jar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:37:46 -0600
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At 10:09 AM -0500 1/22/08, Alan Ruttenberg wrote:
>On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Pat Hayes wrote:
>>At 8:58 AM -0800 1/21/08, Duane Nickull wrote:
>>>What about a site like http://www.audi.com ?
>>>IT automatically redirects to another site based on geographical 
>>>location. I am in Canada but get the US audi site.  In Germany, 
>>>one would encounter the german site.
>>>It is a better example?
>>Its an example of why the W3C TAG insist on  referring to 'web 
>>resources' or 'information  resources' rather than anything as 
>>concrete as a  Web page. They want to be able to say, in cases
>>like this, that there is a single "thing" at the  end of that one 
>>URI, which is able to respond in
>>a variety of languages, and its that "thing" that  is denoted by 
>>the URI. There are a number of
>>cases like this, sometimes resolved by Mime type,  eg if your 
>>browser is set to read aloud rather
>>than display visually, it might get sent  different HTML than a 
>>conventional browser is  sent. BUt it would be the same 'web 
>>resource',  just webarch:represented differently.
>Yes, but how far can this go? There is a difference between two 
>language variants of a page (already suspect as being one thing, if 
>you ask a linguist)  and two different sites catering to different 
>cultures. I've seen cases like this where the news feeds are 
>different, for example - in Germany, say, you get local German news, 
>and in the US, you get US news. What is the one "Thing" here?    (01)

Well, Im not the authority in this area, but I gather that the 
official W3C position on the semantics of URIs is that there is a 
single entity, called a 'resource' (which may be "virtual") 
identified by each URI (or, in modern parlance, each #-free IRI). Im 
not sure what the position would be on the case you mention, but if 
the edition is negotiated purely by language choice, then I think it 
would be considered to fall under this ruling.  To a large extent, 
cases like this have no antecedents to drive intuition, so are 
decided more by fiat than anything.    (02)

In any case, I wouldn't say that cases like this are really indexical 
or context-sensitive in the sense that we were originally discussing. 
The only 'context' involved is the language choice, and this is 
hardly the same as saying that a meaning is driven by the context of 
the particular GET call.    (03)

Pat    (04)

>-Alan    (05)

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