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From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:19:31 -0600
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>..what if you used the same method to compare them?
>I would probably also throw in another test: matching the two 
>ontologies (brainwaves and vegetables) looking for patterns of 
>...what if you also looked for opposition and contrast?
>I hope you will join the team!
>BTW - I will be attending Tucson VIII (aka. "Towards A Science of
>Consciousness") this year. If anyone else is going, you'll find me
>tracing the footsteps of Carlos Casteneda and Don Juan Matos ;-)
>I guess I am in a state of inbetweeness  tongue in cheek and dead serious
>It's an experiment applying quantum logic principles,
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_causes_collapse>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_causes_collapse    (01)

Yeh, yeh. I few years ago I had a long debate with Henry Stapp about 
this stuff. I remain totally unconvinced. And BTW, the quotes from 
Heisenberg and d'Espagnat given in that article refer only to the 
Copenhagen interpretation of QM. There are now interpretations of QM 
which treat the world as an objective reality, cf (my favorite)    (02)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_interpretation    (03)

In this account, there is no 'collapse', so its a hard stretch to 
posit that consciousness causes or results from it.    (04)

BTW, an 'interpretation' of QM is a story that one tells to try to 
make some kind of sense of the observed QM phenomena, and which (one 
way or another) conforms to the actual equations of QM, which are now 
empirically verified to an extraordinary degree of precision, I think 
something like 14 places of decimals. That is, these are not rival 
*theories*: they all make the very same empirical predictions, but 
they tell a different story about why one gets those predictions. The 
much-publicized Quantum Wierdesses about wave/particle duality, 
Schroedinger's cat, wave-function collapse, etc., are all part of the 
first QM interpretation, the Copenhagen one: but there are many other 
possible stories one can use to understand QM with. You choose your 
favorite scientific mythology at this point.    (05)

>BTW - what tools can I download other than protege to view rdf (rdf 
>viewer is not accessible for download from here)    (06)

You can try COE, our graphic viewer for RDF and OWL, available from here    (07)

http://cmap.ihmc.us/coe/?page_id=4    (08)

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