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>A hole is not the same as a ³nothing² there
>are two separate threads in this discussion: are
>we not talking about two different ³things² (I
>use the word advisedly and very cautiously)?
> (01)
Quite. Im really not sure what the 'nothing' term
is supposed to indicate. Early set theorists
wrestled with this concept for a while before
they came up with the empty set. Perhaps
'nothing' is the empty set? (02)
Regarding boundaries, I made a stab at
ontologizing these (at least the spatial/physical
kind) a while ago. Things get quite complicated
quite quickly. For example, if the surface of a
solid object is a boundary of it, then where
exactly is the liquid when that surface is wet?
It seemed necessary to introduce the notion of a
'layer' on each side of the boundary.
Goegraphical boundaries are even more difficult:
one has to distinguish physical from notional
boundaries, for example (when the coastline
erodes, does the country or the county get
smaller?) (03)
Pat (04)
>Peter B
>From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Deborah MacPherson
>Sent: 18 September 2007 20:01
>To: [ontolog-forum]
>Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] entity: nothing
>
>Hi Paola -
>
>The Cage analogy came around to silence being
>able to be bounded by sound. Carved sculptures
>take away unwanted material until only the
>essential parts remain. In museum design certain
>content is not ready to be named but it can be
>classified, subject areas yet to be defined are
>left as blank, un-labeled placeholders
>allocating space, hoping future requirements
>will fit without rearranging everything again.
>
>More to your point surely is John's statement
>"more like a boundary than pure nothingness". So
>with the stretched metaphors above.....What do
>you think needs to be bounded? What are opposite
>each other inside and outside the boundaries?
>What could possibly be consistent across a range
>of ontologies? What existing communication
>system like OWL, or ___, or ___, or ___ is best
>suited to indicating a boundary? How do you know
>when you encounter a boundary? Simply won't
>process? How do you "see" the holes and can you
>measure how big or small they are?
>
>Deborah
>On 9/18/07,
><mailto:paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx
><<mailto:paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx >
>wrote:
>I am not entirely sure that we have not yet answered this, I may have
>missed somethin
>
>Following the discussion on holes, the one questrion that I am left
>with is whether
>holes are entities as such, or non entities and
>
>if so
>whether they would belong to a ' class of nothing' being
>proposed/discussed somewhere earlier on this forum
>
>It looks to me that they are non entity cause they dont have a mass
>that can be measured
>I mean an entity is determined by its attributes and properties while
>the only property of a hole that we can say is 'absence of energy'
>
>This is an attempt to bring the hole discussion into the focus of
>current ontological question
>
>apologies if this is trivial
>
>
>--
>Paola Di Maio
>School of IT
><http://www.mfu.ac.th>www.mfu.ac.th
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