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Re: [ontolog-forum] Two ontologies that are inconsistent but both needed

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From: Ingvar Johansson <ingvar.johansson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:09:11 +0200
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Kathryn Blackmond Laskey schrieb:
> At 9:39 AM -0600 6/13/07, Smith, Barry wrote:
>   
>> [BS] I hope that we all agree that in major, critical, domains, such 
>> as medicine or nuclear power generation a good strategy for creating 
>> useful models is to seek to find out what the underlying reality is 
>> like.
>>     
>
> Of course.
>
> In a couple of decades of building models of phenomena, many of them 
> in major, critical domains, I have come to the conclusion that the 
> underlying reality of the world we live in is such that the best, 
> most useful models of many phenomena are probabilistic.
>
> When I say this, I get nods from many engineers who have been in the 
> trenches building models. They want to know about technologies for 
> building interoperable models.
>
> But ontologists tell me it is a category error to put probability in 
> the ontology, because probability is epistemic and not ontological.
>       (01)

This is a widespread but wrong view. Start to read what Mario Bunge has 
written about the probability calculus as a purely mathematical calculus 
and what kind of interpretations it might fit - epistemic as well as 
ontological.    (02)

Ingvar    (03)

> IMO, is an example of counterproductive pedantry.
>
> Barry, you caricature Tom Gruber by saying he wants to build 
> ontologies of concepts while you're building ontologies of the world. 
> That ain't so. Anyone who builds an ontology is specifying a 
> conceptualization.  A good ontologist specifies conceptualizations 
> that are as true to the structure of the world. But an ontology IS a 
> specification of a conceptualization.  It is NOT a specification of 
> the reality.  Only God can specify reality.  We can describe reality 
> and act in it, but we can't specify it.  We describe reality by 
> specifying our conceptualizations of it, arguing over them, refining 
> them, and hammering out consensus agreements on them.
>
> If we bite the bullet and admit that ontologies specify 
> conceptualizations [of a domain], then it's easy to argue that 
> conceptualizations should be allowed to have probabilities when we 
> don't have enough information for a complete specification.  This 
> argument makes sense even if we don't think the probabilities 
> themselves are ontological.
>
> Kathy
>  
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