>Wacek,
>
>I was taking the notion of "be" in the most generous sense
>of the term -- namely existence in a Platonic heaven of
>mathematical entities -- something along the lines of
>Cantor's heaven of infinities of infinities of sets (as
>Hilbert and Gödel conceived of it).
>
>JFS>> ...there must be a complete and consistent description
> >> of the entire universe for all time.
>
>vQ> First, what is meant by 'description'? A written, spoken
> > sentence, a thought, a collection of propositions?
>
>A collection of propositions as abstract entities in that
>Platonic heaven.
>
>vQ> If there is such a description, is the description a part
> > of the universe, and as such, is it a description of the
> > entire universe -- thus including the description itself?
> > If it is not, what does 'entire' mean?
>
>It is impossible to have a perfect model of any physical system
>that takes less space and matter than the system itself.
>
>Any description of a physical system that gets down to the atomic
>level would require more atoms to record it than there are atoms
>in the system.
>
>As I said in my earlier note, such a description would constitute
>a sizable chunk of MoG (the Mind of God), which I assume would be
>located (if "located" is an appropriate term) in a Platonic heaven.
>
>John (01)
Er... guys, fun though this discussion is, surely
it has strayed somewhat from the topic of its
subject line? These disaster-management folk have
enough trouble already dealing with acts of God,
without trying to read His mind. (02)
Pat (03)
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