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Re: [ontolog-forum] Disaster Management ontology BOF in Delft

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From: Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:18:55 -0700
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I can't speak for the TC, but getting this far was a big hurdle, so I 
don't want to make it seem like the TC is ready for further steps, 
even if I personally happen to be in favor of such testing.    (01)

Cheers,
Rex    (02)

At 10:42 AM -0700 4/27/07, Peter Yim wrote:
>Just to clarify ...
>
>>  [PDM]  .... we have established that a schema IS NOT  an ontology, ...
>
>[ppy] who are "we" ... and when was this established?
>
>If you are referring to OntologySummit2007, then I afraid the
>statement is misconstrued ... I think it was repeated many times
>during the summit proceedings that "we were not there to identify what
>"is" or "is not" an ontology, or even to define "what is an ontology"
>.... we were only there to see how we could better understand
>"ontology" and "ontology-related"/"ontology-like" artifacts.
>
>Regards.  =ppy
>--
>
>
>On 4/27/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  Dear Rex and all
>>
>>   thanks for pointers
>>
>>   I have circulated the edxl review period link to peers before, I think it
>>  might be useful to test it againt specific use cases
>>
>>   Indeed this is important
>>
>>   I wonder if we could use this opportunity as a testbed for the proposed
>>  framework
>>
>>   Should we create a conceptual link between the edxl schema to a bigger
>>  picture for EM.
>>
>>    I mean, we have established that a schema IS NOT  an ontology, and that an
>>  ontolopgy HAS schemas, right?
>>
>>   would this be a useful exercise to plot this schema into a bigger, yet to
>>  become, em picture made of entities and relationships and peoples and things
>>    would this help people understand why edxl is important?
>>   (I am still thinking of joining the EMTC btw, long 'to do' list)
>>
>>   PDM
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 4/27/07, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Thanks for posting this to the Ontolog Forum, Paola,
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Since I work with Renato regularly in the OASIS Emergency Management
>>  Technical Committee (EM TC), if he attends this conference, he can certainly
>>  pass along the views of our TC and the SC I co chair where we toil away  on
>>  EDXL-RM and are awaiting the set of specification requirements from our
>>  experts group.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > This brings up the first topic I would like to see passed along at this
>>  conference. EDXL-RM (Resource Messaging is in its 60-day Public Review
>>  period. It will still be in the active review period during the conference.
>>  The URL for the announcement made to the Ontolog Forum is
>>  http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2007-04/msg00006.html
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > The announcement includes URLs for the document in several formats and the
>>  pubic comment form. The URLs include the zipped package XSD files  and it is
>>  especially important to note that all of the imported-cited specifications
>>  and examples are included for the convenience of implementers and reviewers.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Last note that Renato can pass along is the fact that the EM TC is
>>  undertaking the development of the Emergency Data Exchange Language
>>  Reference Information Model (EDXL-RIM) which will include an RDF Schema and
>>  an OWL-DL specification in addition to the now-conventional XML Schema, so
>>  we are actually moving to the next level for structured information
>>  standards in providing an ontology for the abstract reference information
>  > model that unifies existing EDXL specifications and can be used for writing
>>  the upcoming additions to the EDXL family.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > That does not mean that it is not an uphill struggle. TCs are notoriously
>>  literal-minded and stay close to the concrete, but getting agreement to make
>>  this first step is a milestone in my opinion, and we have been working
>>  towards this for quite a while now.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Cheers,
>>  > Rex
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > At 4:59 PM +0700 4/27/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>  > Dear all
>>  > [apologies for cross posting]
>>  >
>>  > Following the ongoing discussion in this community, and latest thread on
>>  w3 list, I have been considering how best to bring the
>  > > emergency management ontology to the industry discussion table, (other
>>  than starting a war)
>>  >
>>  > Although I have not yet succeeded to have the topic included in the
>>  conference agenda ,  peers  attending ISCRAM in Delft  Holland 13-16 next
>>  month also consider the discussion important, so I am touching base with a
>>  couple of people with the idea of setting up a BOF with the aim to get to
>>  know each other and exchange ideas
>>  >
>>  > I am personally not likely to be in the conference (considering my topic
>>  of interest has not been included) but I'll try to hang around a couple of
>>  days in the neighborhood so that we can get the discussion going, and
>>  hopefully have it included in the future official editions of the
>>  conference.
>>  >
>>  > I take this chance to invite anyone on this list or colleague, especially
>>  those likely to be physically in the region who may want to come out for an
>>  emergency drink,  to flag their interest, so that we can keep you posted of
>>  our whereabouts
>>  >
>>  > Feel free to forward  Renato's  email below, sent to w3 list
>>  >
>>  > Cheers
>>  > Paola Di Maio
>>  >
>>  > FORWARDED
>>  > Hi all - a few of us attending the ISCRAM Conference have proposed a
>>  > BOF on "Ontologies for Emergency Management"
>>  > which is receiving lots of interest from the community and standards
>>  > groups.
>>  >
>>  > See <http://esw.w3.org/topic/DisasterManagement > as an
>>  example.
>>  >
>>  > If you are interested, the please email me directly and we will
>>  > arrange for appropriate logistics at Delft.
>>  >
>>  > Cheers...
>>  > Dr Renato Iannella
>>  > Principal Scientist
>>  > NICTA, Level 19, 300 Adelaide St, Brisbane, QLD, 4000 AUSTRALIA
>>  > [t] +61 7 3000 0484 [f] +61 7 3000 0480 [m] +61 4 1313 2206
>>  > [e] renato@xxxxxxxxxxxx [w] http://nicta.com.au [i] aim:renatoi2003
>>  > [v] skype:riannella
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
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