HI Peter
thanks for clarifying
I take this as an exercise in the practical application of the ontology chapter that is being written
I am clear that the Summit mission was not to establish what is an ontology nor a definition etc
however
somehow I think that the fact that an xml schema is not an
ontology, but an ontology artifact/instrument is generally
accepted
'we have esteablished' was referrrring to the lack of arguements to the contrary
sorry is this a step back, and a stance that we should try to avoid?
(aargh)
pdm
On 4/28/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Just to clarify ...
> [PDM] .... we have established that a schema IS NOT an ontology, ...
[ppy] who are "we" ... and when was this established?
If you are referring to OntologySummit2007, then I afraid the
statement is misconstrued ... I think it was repeated many times
during the summit proceedings that "we were not there to identify what
"is" or "is not" an ontology, or even to define "what is an ontology"
... we were only there to see how we could better understand
"ontology" and "ontology-related"/"ontology-like" artifacts.
Regards. =ppy
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On 4/27/07,
paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Rex and all
>
> thanks for pointers
>
> I have circulated the edxl review period link to peers before, I think it
> might be useful to test it againt specific use cases
>
> Indeed this is important
>
> I wonder if we could use this opportunity as a testbed for the proposed
> framework
>
> Should we create a conceptual link between the edxl schema to a bigger
> picture for EM.
>
> I mean, we have established that a schema IS NOT an ontology, and that an
> ontolopgy HAS schemas, right?
>
> would this be a useful exercise to plot this schema into a bigger, yet to
> become, em picture made of entities and relationships and peoples and things
> would this help people understand why edxl is important?
> (I am still thinking of joining the EMTC btw, long 'to do' list)
>
> PDM
>
>
>
> On 4/27/07, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks for posting this to the Ontolog Forum, Paola,
> >
> >
> > Since I work with Renato regularly in the OASIS Emergency Management
> Technical Committee (EM TC), if he attends this conference, he can certainly
> pass along the views of our TC and the SC I co chair where we toil away on
> EDXL-RM and are awaiting the set of specification requirements from our
> experts group.
> >
> >
> > This brings up the first topic I would like to see passed along at this
> conference. EDXL-RM (Resource Messaging is in its 60-day Public Review
> period. It will still be in the active review period during the conference.
> The URL for the announcement made to the Ontolog Forum is
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2007-04/msg00006.html
> >
> >
> > The announcement includes URLs for the document in several formats and the
> pubic comment form. The URLs include the zipped package XSD files and it is
> especially important to note that all of the imported-cited specifications
> and examples are included for the convenience of implementers and reviewers.
> >
> >
> > Last note that Renato can pass along is the fact that the EM TC is
> undertaking the development of the Emergency Data Exchange Language
> Reference Information Model (EDXL-RIM) which will include an RDF Schema and
> an OWL-DL specification in addition to the now-conventional XML Schema, so
> we are actually moving to the next level for structured information
> standards in providing an ontology for the abstract reference information
> model that unifies existing EDXL specifications and can be used for writing
> the upcoming additions to the EDXL family.
> >
> >
> > That does not mean that it is not an uphill struggle. TCs are notoriously
> literal-minded and stay close to the concrete, but getting agreement to make
> this first step is a milestone in my opinion, and we have been working
> towards this for quite a while now.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rex
> >
> >
> >
> > At 4:59 PM +0700 4/27/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > Dear all
> > [apologies for cross posting]
> >
> > Following the ongoing discussion in this community, and latest thread on
> w3 list, I have been considering how best to bring the
> > emergency management ontology to the industry discussion table, (other
> than starting a war)
> >
> > Although I have not yet succeeded to have the topic included in the
> conference agenda , peers attending ISCRAM in Delft Holland 13-16 next
> month also consider the discussion important, so I am touching base with a
> couple of people with the idea of setting up a BOF with the aim to get to
> know each other and exchange ideas
> >
> > I am personally not likely to be in the conference (considering my topic
> of interest has not been included) but I'll try to hang around a couple of
> days in the neighborhood so that we can get the discussion going, and
> hopefully have it included in the future official editions of the
> conference.
> >
> > I take this chance to invite anyone on this list or colleague, especially
> those likely to be physically in the region who may want to come out for an
> emergency drink, to flag their interest, so that we can keep you posted of
> our whereabouts
> >
> > Feel free to forward Renato's email below, sent to w3 list
> >
> > Cheers
> > Paola Di Maio
> >
> > FORWARDED
> > Hi all - a few of us attending the ISCRAM Conference have proposed a
> > BOF on "Ontologies for Emergency Management"
> > which is receiving lots of interest from the community and standards
> > groups.
> >
> > See <
http://esw.w3.org/topic/DisasterManagement > as an
> example.
> >
> > If you are interested, the please email me directly and we will
> > arrange for appropriate logistics at Delft.
> >
> > Cheers...
> > Dr Renato Iannella
> > Principal Scientist
> > NICTA, Level 19, 300 Adelaide St, Brisbane, QLD, 4000 AUSTRALIA
> > [t] +61 7 3000 0484 [f] +61 7 3000 0480 [m] +61 4 1313 2206
> > [e] renato@xxxxxxxxxxxx [w] http://nicta.com.au [i] aim:renatoi2003
> > [v] skype:riannella
> >
> >
> >
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