For me, at least, arguments over who 'is' or 'is not' using a label
correctly, especially when coming from different contexts, is
generally futile. I would say, it's even counter-productive to our
goal of moving ontologies into the main stream. (01)
... you may take this as an "argument to the contrary", Paola. (02)
Thank you for the understanding. =ppy
-- (03)
On 4/27/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> HI Peter
> thanks for clarifying
>
> I take this as an exercise in the practical application of the ontology
> chapter that is being written
>
> I am clear that the Summit mission was not to establish what is an ontology
> nor a definition etc
>
> however
>
> somehow I think that the fact that an xml schema is not an ontology, but
> an ontology artifact/instrument is generally accepted
>
> 'we have esteablished' was referrrring to the lack of arguements to the
> contrary
> sorry is this a step back, and a stance that we should try to avoid?
> (aargh)
>
> pdm
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/28/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Just to clarify ...
> >
> > > [PDM] .... we have established that a schema IS NOT an ontology, ...
> >
> > [ppy] who are "we" ... and when was this established?
> >
> > If you are referring to OntologySummit2007, then I afraid the
> > statement is misconstrued ... I think it was repeated many times
> > during the summit proceedings that "we were not there to identify what
> > "is" or "is not" an ontology, or even to define "what is an ontology"
> > ... we were only there to see how we could better understand
> > "ontology" and "ontology-related"/"ontology-like"
> artifacts.
> >
> > Regards. =ppy
> > --
> >
> >
> > On 4/27/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Dear Rex and all
> > >
> > > thanks for pointers
> > >
> > > I have circulated the edxl review period link to peers before, I think
> it
> > > might be useful to test it againt specific use cases
> > >
> > > Indeed this is important
> > >
> > > I wonder if we could use this opportunity as a testbed for the proposed
> > > framework
> > >
> > > Should we create a conceptual link between the edxl schema to a bigger
> > > picture for EM.
> > >
> > > I mean, we have established that a schema IS NOT an ontology, and
> that an
> > > ontolopgy HAS schemas, right?
> > >
> > > would this be a useful exercise to plot this schema into a bigger, yet
> to
> > > become, em picture made of entities and relationships and peoples and
> things
> > > would this help people understand why edxl is important?
> > > (I am still thinking of joining the EMTC btw, long 'to do' list)
> > >
> > > PDM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/27/07, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for posting this to the Ontolog Forum, Paola,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Since I work with Renato regularly in the OASIS Emergency Management
> > > Technical Committee (EM TC), if he attends this conference, he can
> certainly
> > > pass along the views of our TC and the SC I co chair where we toil away
> on
> > > EDXL-RM and are awaiting the set of specification requirements from our
> > > experts group.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This brings up the first topic I would like to see passed along at
> this
> > > conference. EDXL-RM (Resource Messaging is in its 60-day Public Review
> > > period. It will still be in the active review period during the
> conference.
> > > The URL for the announcement made to the Ontolog Forum is
> > >
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2007-04/msg00006.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The announcement includes URLs for the document in several formats and
> the
> > > pubic comment form. The URLs include the zipped package XSD files and
> it is
> > > especially important to note that all of the imported-cited
> specifications
> > > and examples are included for the convenience of implementers and
> reviewers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Last note that Renato can pass along is the fact that the EM TC is
> > > undertaking the development of the Emergency Data Exchange Language
> > > Reference Information Model (EDXL-RIM) which will include an RDF Schema
> and
> > > an OWL-DL specification in addition to the now-conventional XML Schema,
> so
> > > we are actually moving to the next level for structured information
> > > standards in providing an ontology for the abstract reference
> information
> > > model that unifies existing EDXL specifications and can be used for
> writing
> > > the upcoming additions to the EDXL family.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That does not mean that it is not an uphill struggle. TCs are
> notoriously
> > > literal-minded and stay close to the concrete, but getting agreement to
> make
> > > this first step is a milestone in my opinion, and we have been working
> > > towards this for quite a while now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Rex
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 4:59 PM +0700 4/27/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > Dear all
> > > > [apologies for cross posting]
> > > >
> > > > Following the ongoing discussion in this community, and latest thread
> on
> > > w3 list, I have been considering how best to bring the
> > > > emergency management ontology to the industry discussion table, (other
> > > than starting a war)
> > > >
> > > > Although I have not yet succeeded to have the topic included in the
> > > conference agenda , peers attending ISCRAM in Delft Holland 13-16
> next
> > > month also consider the discussion important, so I am touching base with
> a
> > > couple of people with the idea of setting up a BOF with the aim to get
> to
> > > know each other and exchange ideas
> > > >
> > > > I am personally not likely to be in the conference (considering my
> topic
> > > of interest has not been included) but I'll try to hang around a couple
> of
> > > days in the neighborhood so that we can get the discussion going, and
> > > hopefully have it included in the future official editions of the
> > > conference.
> > > >
> > > > I take this chance to invite anyone on this list or colleague,
> especially
> > > those likely to be physically in the region who may want to come out for
> an
> > > emergency drink, to flag their interest, so that we can keep you posted
> of
> > > our whereabouts
> > > >
> > > > Feel free to forward Renato's email below, sent to w3 list
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Paola Di Maio
> > > >
> > > > FORWARDED
> > > > Hi all - a few of us attending the ISCRAM Conference have proposed a
> > > > BOF on "Ontologies for Emergency Management"
> > > > which is receiving lots of interest from the community and standards
> > > > groups.
> > > >
> > > > See < http://esw.w3.org/topic/DisasterManagement > as
> an
> > > example.
> > > >
> > > > If you are interested, the please email me directly and we will
> > > > arrange for appropriate logistics at Delft.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers...
> > > > Dr Renato Iannella
> > > > Principal Scientist
> > > > NICTA, Level 19, 300 Adelaide St, Brisbane, QLD, 4000 AUSTRALIA
> > > > [t] +61 7 3000 0484 [f] +61 7 3000 0480 [m] +61 4 1313 2206
> > > > [e] renato@xxxxxxxxxxxx [w] http://nicta.com.au [i] aim:renatoi2003
> > > > [v] skype:riannella
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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