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Re: [iaoa-education] [iaoa-council] decisions + 1 question

To: IAOA Executive Council <iaoa-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Nicola Guarino <nicolguar@xxxxxxxxx>, IAOA Education Committee <iaoa-education@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:31:48 -0700
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I am of the opinion that the current procedure & time allowances are
fine. Flexibility to speed up the procedure, as needed (which we had
exercised before) has worked well too; and we can continue to so that
on a need-to basis.    (01)

Therefore, I do not suggest we change anything (to the statute, bylaw
or practice)!    (02)

If we do need a faster process in this particular situation, someone
can just propose, and if there is no objection, we'll adopt that "fast
track process" *for this particular situation*.    (03)

Thanks & regards. =ppy
--    (04)


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Laure Vieu <vieu@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> below is what the statute says. we both have an admission procedure
> (that we may implemnt as we wish though), and an expulsion procedure.
> so in any case, even after approval, and without any time frame, we can
> expell a member (for good reasons).
>
> my suggestion therefore is that, if you all agree, to change the current
> approval procedure reducing the 5 days I give to the EC to raise any
> objection to 2 working days.
> and this not just now, but all the time.
>
> please give your opinion
>
> if such a change is decided, we should remember that we perhaps need to
> change the draft bylaws accordingly.
>
> Laure
>
>
> 9. Admission of Members
>
> In order to join the Association, interested parties are required to
> fill out a membership form and pay the membership fee. Admission
> requests must be approved by the Executive Council. If an applicant is
> refused admission, the Executive Council must communicate its reasons in
> writing, and the membership fee is to be returned. If an applicant is
> denied admission, he or she may appeal the decision to the Assembly.
> People applying to become members in connection with their participation
> to an initiative (such as a conference or a course) organized by the
> Association are entitled to participate in such initiative pending the
> confirmation of their admission at the next meeting of the Executive
> Council.
>
>
> 11. Expulsion
>
> Members can be removed from the Association when they have intentionally
> violated the Statute or the Association Rules or other resolutions
> approved by the Assembly; when they carry out or support activities
> contrary to the purposes of the Association;
> or when their behaviour jeopardizes the good name of the Association.
> The Executive Council, after having asked the concerned Member to
> justify his or her behaviour, can decide expulsion with the vote of two
> thirds of its members. Expelled members may appeal to the Assembly; in
> such case, their rights and duties are however suspended until the
> Assembly’s decision.    (05)


> Le 16/03/12 16:57, John Bateman a écrit :
>> Hi Nicola,
>>
>> I see the problem/issue....
>>
>> Am 16.03.2012 16:02, schrieb Nicola Guarino:
>>> for instance, a group of people (possibly not interested at all in
>>> the association) may promote a mass membership campaign just to
>>> conquer the power.
>>
>> but how can this be detected by our approval procedure
>> (and within the time frame currently allowed)? It
>> would seem to me that a better solution would be to *allow*
>> approval to be checked (and rejected) if there are grounds (which would
>> need to be raised explicitly) rather than having a default
>> approval procedure that actually then does little because
>> it becomes a formality for 99% (I presume so far 100%)
>> of actual cases. I think the association must retain
>> the right to decline membership, but the issue is
>> more how that is managed. At present it seems to be
>> just overhead for little reward. How about a
>> retroactive rejection clause: "membership may be
>> rejected by a majority vote of the EC up to a
>> month after membership on full refund of paid
>> dues." Membership is thus automatic, but provisional
>> for a month.... [I'm not sure at this stage then which
>> option ends up bringing the most overhead...]
>>
>>>
>>> and do you all DO read those messages anyway??
>>
>> thank those ontological gods above us
>> for the 5th amendment to the US constitution....
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> John.    (06)

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