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Re: [health-ont] Abstract due Monday: FCW 1st Government Health IT Con

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From: Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:46:14 -0700
Message-id: <a06210237bf1d58aa3674@[67.101.150.165]>
Thanks, Peter,    (01)

I didn't catch this till after I had answered, but yes, I don't think 
that there will be anything resembling an endorsement. And, Patrick, 
I understand and agree with what you have said about such an 
appearance.    (02)

Regards,
Rex    (03)

At 11:05 AM -0700 8/8/05, Peter P. Yim wrote:
>Pat,
>
>I'm with you.
>
>I'm sure Rex, Bob and the rest of the team putting together the 8/25 
>session and the First Government Health IT Conference submission on 
>behalf of Ontolog (of which, I am actually not a part) are making a 
>note of this exchange, and handling the situation as they deem 
>appropriate.
>
>Thanks for pointing this out.
>
>Regards.  =ppy
>--
>
>
>Cassidy,Patrick J. wrote Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:38:26 -0400:
>>Peter,
>>   Thanks for the info.  I missed the session on OpenVistA, and haven't
>>had time to catch up.
>>   Even for systems that have the virtues of OpenVistA, I think that any
>>documents from the community as a whole need to avoid seeming to endorse
>>any particular product, unless it was tested by a group project.
>>Individuals can feel free to recommend products they like, and community
>>documents can cite phrases like "product X or the equivalent".  The
>>first paragraph of the specific proposal is a single run-on sentence
>>mentioning only one product, which is prefaced by "in particular", which
>>gave (me) the impression of a strong endorsement, not much mitigated by
>>the "such tools as" qualifier.  Suggestion: break it into two sentences
>>and take out the "in particular", and it would to my taste sound more
>>objective.  Proselytizing is fine for individuals, but needs to be done
>>cautiously by groups, after discussion of whether an endorsement is
>>warranted.  I think this is true regardless of the actual virtues of the
>>product.
>>
>>     Pat
>>
>>
>>Patrick Cassidy
>>MITRE Corporation
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>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: health-ont-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:health-ont-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter P. Yim
>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:31 PM
>>To: [health-ont]
>>Subject: Re: [health-ont] Abstract due Monday: FCW 1st Government Health
>>IT Conference-Nov. 17-18
>>
>>Pat,
>>
>>While I agree that we should always use something like " .... such 
>>as OpenVistA" (rather than locking us totally into any one 
>>particular product, I have to point out that the Ontolog have had 
>>multiple interactions with the WorldVistA people.
>>
>>I list some of those that come to mind quickly:
>>
>>o  Chris Richardson and David Whitten (both founders of WorldVistA) 
>>are Ontolog members.
>>
>>o  they are a part of the team and contributed to our NHIN-RFI response
>>
>>O we had a full session at Ontolog featuring  these two gentlemen 
>>and the OpenVistA product and approach less than 2 months ago - 
>>ref: 
>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_06_16
>>
>>o  they have both been active, and David has been in quite a few of 
>>our weekly calls and speaker/discussion sessions
>>
>>They are "open" and is probably the most established open tool in 
>>the particular space we are talking about. To say the least, they 
>>are a prime candidate for potential future Ontolog projects where 
>>such a tool is needed.
>>
>>Cheers.  =ppy
>>--
>
>
>>Cassidy,Patrick J. wrote Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:15:26 -0400:
>>
>>>Why is OpenVista selected as a preferred tool?  I don't recall that
>>
>>the
>>
>>>Ontolog forum engaged in any significant discussion of that tool -- I
>>>have no familiarity with it.  Should we be promoting one tool over
>>>others as an Ontolog position at this point, especially without
>>
>>careful
>>
>>>evaluation by the group?
>>>
>>>   Pat
>>>
>>>
>>>Patrick Cassidy
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