THIRDED (01)
I'm not sure what specification vs. implementation has to do with the
statement, Bill can you elaborate? (02)
At first I thought I disagreed, but now I think that I agree with what
was perhaps the intended meaning. I think that the wording may be
ambiguous (surprise...). (03)
Here is what I think/hope most of us could agree to, that is implicit in
this statement: (04)
Traditional systems based on rdbs and oop have some inherent limitations
due to the fact that there is no semantic interpretation. Semantic
technologies, used [possibly in conjunction with] more traditional
technologies can overcome some of these limitations.
-- (05)
Btw, lets name the key limitations!
The flip side of this is echoed by Bill too: we should be specific as to
the manner in which semantic based systems are 'more advanced'. (06)
Mike (07)
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Andersen [mailto:andersen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
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To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
Subject: Re: [uos-convene] KBR vs SQL (08)
SECONDED. (09)
The statement Matthew is objecting to is another example of the hype I
see every day surrounding ontologies and their use. The fundamental
flaw in this paragraph is that it does not distinguish between
specification and implementation and can be shown trivially to be false. (010)
Plus, we may not like these traditional systems but we'd better learn
to live with them because they're not going anywhere for a while.
Nobody's going to go out and replace their finely-tuned terabyte
databases with anyone's main-memory theorem prover any time soon :-D (011)
On Mar 4, 2006, at 06:43 , West, Matthew R SIPC-DFD/321 wrote: (012)
> Dear Ray,
>
> The first "conclusion in brief" is:
>
> "(1) We agree that the technology of modeling and representing
> knowledge has developed to the point where it is feasible to create
> knowledge-based reasoning systems with information analysis and
> exploitation capabilities significantly more advanced than traditional (013)
> systems based on relational databases and object-oriented programming
> without semantic interpretation."
>
> Well I don't agree.
>
> Ontology can help improve the design of systems using traditional
> technology, and I can see Knowledge Based Applications adding
> significant value to those traditionally developed systems. I can also (014)
> see some genuinely "the web as a database" type applications.
> However, I think it is inappropriate to compare in this way
> traditional systems (that are largely transaction processing
> based) and Knowledge Based Systems. They are complementary not
> competing technologies.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Matthew West
> Reference Data Architecture and Standards Manager Shell International
> Petroleum Company Limited Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
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