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Re: [uom-ontology-std] UoM ontology standard - a proposed program of wor

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From: "Burkett, William [USA]" <burkett_william@xxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:39:54 -0400
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And TopQuadrant has recently made available a free version of the TopBraid 
Composer Tool - see:    (01)

        http://www.topquadrant.com/products/TB_free_install.php    (02)

I haven't used it yet so I don't know what built-in limits it has.    (03)

Another useful tool is Altova's SemanticWorks.  I did some experimentation of 
saving OWL files created with Protégé, reading them into SemanticWorks, saving 
without making any changes, re-opening in Protégé.  The round-trips produced 
syntactically different OWL files, so needless to say each tool has it's own 
flavor of saving the OWL files.    (04)

Bill    (05)



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[mailto:uom-ontology-std-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Price
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To: Patrick Cassidy
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Subject: Re: [uom-ontology-std] UoM ontology standard - a proposed program of 
work    (06)

The majority of TC 184 SC4 Industrial Data and the OASIS PLCS TC use Protege 
for the relatively small OWL ontologies we work. We do however save as the 
unabbreviated RDF syntax so we can write XSLT against the OWL files.    (07)

We also do use UML/ODM to create diagrams that have OWL and our EXPRESS 
modeling language constructs on the same diagram. Those are informative 
diagrams though and only contain Class and subClassOf relationships.    (08)

Cheers,
David    (09)

On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 09:32 -0400, Patrick Cassidy wrote:
> If we all agree about CLIF and OWL, perhaps we can begin to discuss the
> tools one can use with those formalisms?   I find Protégé convenient for
> viewing OWL files, though it can be slow even with a moderately 
> complex ontology (7,000 classes).  This should not be a problem for a UOM 
>ontology.
> Are others using different tools? 
> 
>  What tool is recommended for working with CLIF files?  Are there 
> examples of usage for study?  Does the SigmaKEE tool that is used with 
> SKIF handle the kinds of syntax that Pat Hayes would recommend?
> 
> Pat
> 
> Patrick Cassidy
> MICRA, Inc.
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: uom-ontology-std-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > [mailto:uom-ontology- std-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> > David Price
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:27 AM
> > To: uom-ontology-std
> > Subject: Re: [uom-ontology-std] UoM ontology standard - a proposed 
> > program of work
> > 
> > Hi again Ed,
> > 
> > What input are we awaiting from John Sowa that would potentially 
> > change the program of work?
> > 
> > I will contact Howard Mason to get his response. Can someone contact 
> > Frank Olken?
> > 
> > On language selection:
> > 
> > The discussion has largely been about the diagram notation. Does 
> > everyone agree about CLIF and OWL?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > 
> > On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 12:15 -0400, Ed Barkmeyer wrote:
> > > David Price wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are we to the point yet where a "final" draft of the proposed
> > program or
> > > > work can be circulated that addresses the email discussion points?
> > >
> > > No.  We are promised input from John Sowa, and we have heard 
> > > nothing
> > yet
> > > from Frank Olken and Howard Mason, who were principals in getting
> > this
> > > activity organized, as I understood it.  I think we should 
> > > certainly
> > see
> > > something that resembles "consensus among the leadership", and we
> > don't
> > > know that we have that yet.
> > >
> > > > My one comment : If we can agree to your proposal and use CLIF, 
> > > > OWL
> > and
> > > > informative UML diagrams, then why do we need a language 
> > > > selection committee?
> > >
> > > If WE can agree, then of course that action is completed.  My 
> > > intent
> > of
> > > the "language selection committee" is exactly the self-appointed "WE"
> > > that comes to that agreement.  I don't know what impact those 
> > > choices have on the intentions of other participants.  I suggested 
> > > them
> > because
> > > they are standards, and even then they are not the only choices.
> > >
> > > -Ed
> > >
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