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From: Cameron Ross <cross@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:31:49 -0400
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Excellent.  Clearly you've spent a lot of time analyzing the BioPortal architecture and refactoring the BioPortal web service interface.  Is your proposed architecture biased by the BioPortal architecture? 

Cameron.

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:24 PM, kenb <kenb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Indeed, that is what I am doing, and I am hoping that I can get some help with it. In the oor-dev mailing list, I asked for volunteers who can contribute to the OOR use cases, architecture and component APIs.


On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Cameron Ross wrote:

So, shouldn't we finish the specification before we start talking about
forking BioPortal?

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:38 PM, kenb <kenb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
     I always understood that the deliverables included both a
     specification
     (architecture and APIs) and a reference implementation.

     -- Ken

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Cameron Ross wrote:

> OK, I see what Peter is trying to clarify...
>
> So, is the deliverable for the _OOR Group_ to be a specification for
> an OOR, an implementation of an OOR, or both, or neither?
>
> Cameron.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Adam Pease <adampease@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
>> Hi Cameron,
>>  I think it's just a minor (to most of us) question of phrasing that
>> Peter was clarifying.  The deliverable for the ontolog group is just
a
>> discussion.  The deliverable for the OOR group (as distinct from the
>> larger ontolog group that is hosting the OOR discussion) may or may
not
>> be an implementation, although personally I agree with you that it
>> should be an implementation, hopefully with a very simple and clear
>> specification.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Sat, 2010-09-18 at 10:34 -0400, Cameron Ross wrote:
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the description, but it doesn't clarify for me anyway.  
We
>>> meet, we discuss, we're talking about architecture, people are
>>> starting to develop interfaces, we have the OOR sandbox... surely
>>> we're striving for more than a water cooler discussion!
>>>
>>> This collective set of activities, whatever you chose to call them,
>>> should deliver something tangible.  Is this to be a specification
for
>>> an OOR, an implementation of an OOR, or both, or neither?
>>>
>>> Cameron
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for asking, Cameron.  For those who weren't already
aware ...
>>>>
>>>> ONTOLOG and OOR are two separate and distinct entities
(communities.)
>>>>
>>>> ONTOLOG is a community of practice (CoP) operating on a (donated)
>>>> virtal collaborative work  environment (CWE), which also serves as
the
>>>> community's dynamic knowledge repository (DKR). ... [note that
Ontolog
>>>> is just supposed to be a good conversation (think, the water
cooler
>>>> conversation ...)]
>>>>
>>>> OOR is an initiative, a project, or, more appropriately, a
collection
>>>> of projects.
>>>>
>>>> It so happens that the OOR initiative is being incubated by
Ontolog on
>>>> it's CWE (to the extent that some of the OOR transactions and work
are
>>>> being done on the Ontolog CWE.)
>>>>
>>>> While there are overlaps in these two communities' membership,
there
>>>> is no direct mandate or relationship between the two.
>>>>
>>>> Other communities, initiatives, projects, programs similarly
incubated
>>>> or 'residing' in the Ontolog CWE include the annual OntologySummit
>>>> series, BSP, IAOA, SIO, etc. (just to show that OOR is not alone
in
>>>> this regard.)
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, Ontolog's deliverable to OOR (if one really has to
frame it
>>>> that way) is to provide it with a "nice place to work," as best it
>>>> can.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this clarifies things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>>>>
>>>> Peter Yim
>>>> Co-convener, ONTOLOG
>>>> Co-convener, OOR
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/18/10, Cameron Ross <cross@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Is the primary deliverable from ONTOLOG's work on OOR to be a
>>>>> specification, an implementation, or both?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cameron
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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