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From: kenb <kenb@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 21:28:53 -0400 (EDT)
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My architecture was based on the OOR use cases. I developed it before I 
began studying BioPortal in detail.    (01)

On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Cameron Ross wrote:    (02)

> Excellent.  Clearly you've spent a lot of time analyzing the BioPortal
> architecture and refactoring the BioPortal web service interface.  Is your
> proposed architecture biased by the BioPortal architecture? 
> Cameron.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 5:24 PM, kenb <kenb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>       Indeed, that is what I am doing, and I am hoping that I can get
>       some help with it. In the oor-dev mailing list, I asked for
>       volunteers who can contribute to the OOR use cases, architecture
>       and component APIs.
> 
> 
> On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Cameron Ross wrote:
>
>       So, shouldn't we finish the specification before we start
>       talking about
>       forking BioPortal?
>
>       On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 4:38 PM, kenb <kenb@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>       wrote:
>            I always understood that the deliverables included
>       both a
>            specification
>            (architecture and APIs) and a reference
>       implementation.
>
>            -- Ken
>
>       On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Cameron Ross wrote:
>
>       > OK, I see what Peter is trying to clarify...
>       >
>       > So, is the deliverable for the _OOR Group_ to be a
>       specification for
>       > an OOR, an implementation of an OOR, or both, or neither?
>       >
>       > Cameron.
>       >
>       >
>       > Sent from my iPhone
>       >
>       > On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Adam Pease
>       <adampease@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>       wrote:
>       >
>       >> Hi Cameron,
>       >>  I think it's just a minor (to most of us) question of
>       phrasing that
>       >> Peter was clarifying.  The deliverable for the ontolog
>       group is just
>       a
>       >> discussion.  The deliverable for the OOR group (as
>       distinct from the
>       >> larger ontolog group that is hosting the OOR discussion)
>       may or may
>       not
>       >> be an implementation, although personally I agree with
>       you that it
>       >> should be an implementation, hopefully with a very
>       simple and clear
>       >> specification.
>       >>
>       >> Adam
>       >>
>       >> On Sat, 2010-09-18 at 10:34 -0400, Cameron Ross wrote:
>       >>> Hi Peter,
>       >>>
>       >>> Thanks for the description, but it doesn't clarify for
>       me anyway.  
>       We
>       >>> meet, we discuss, we're talking about architecture,
>       people are
>       >>> starting to develop interfaces, we have the OOR
>       sandbox... surely
>       >>> we're striving for more than a water cooler discussion!
>       >>>
>       >>> This collective set of activities, whatever you chose
>       to call them,
>       >>> should deliver something tangible.  Is this to be a
>       specification
>       for
>       >>> an OOR, an implementation of an OOR, or both, or
>       neither?
>       >>>
>       >>> Cameron
>       >>>
>       >>> Sent from my iPhone
>       >>>
>       >>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Peter Yim
>       <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>       >>>
>       >>>> Thank you for asking, Cameron.  For those who weren't
>       already
>       aware ...
>       >>>>
>       >>>> ONTOLOG and OOR are two separate and distinct entities
>       (communities.)
>       >>>>
>       >>>> ONTOLOG is a community of practice (CoP) operating on
>       a (donated)
>       >>>> virtal collaborative work  environment (CWE), which
>       also serves as
>       the
>       >>>> community's dynamic knowledge repository (DKR). ...
>       [note that
>       Ontolog
>       >>>> is just supposed to be a good conversation (think, the
>       water
>       cooler
>       >>>> conversation ...)]
>       >>>>
>       >>>> OOR is an initiative, a project, or, more
>       appropriately, a
>       collection
>       >>>> of projects.
>       >>>>
>       >>>> It so happens that the OOR initiative is being
>       incubated by
>       Ontolog on
>       >>>> it's CWE (to the extent that some of the OOR
>       transactions and work
>       are
>       >>>> being done on the Ontolog CWE.)
>       >>>>
>       >>>> While there are overlaps in these two communities'
>       membership,
>       there
>       >>>> is no direct mandate or relationship between the two.
>       >>>>
>       >>>> Other communities, initiatives, projects, programs
>       similarly
>       incubated
>       >>>> or 'residing' in the Ontolog CWE include the annual
>       OntologySummit
>       >>>> series, BSP, IAOA, SIO, etc. (just to show that OOR is
>       not alone
>       in
>       >>>> this regard.)
>       >>>>
>       >>>> Therefore, Ontolog's deliverable to OOR (if one really
>       has to
>       frame it
>       >>>> that way) is to provide it with a "nice place to
>       work," as best it
>       >>>> can.
>       >>>>
>       >>>> Hope this clarifies things.
>       >>>>
>       >>>>
>       >>>> Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>       >>>>
>       >>>> Peter Yim
>       >>>> Co-convener, ONTOLOG
>       >>>> Co-convener, OOR
>       >>>> --
>       >>>>
>       >>>>
>       >>>> On 9/18/10, Cameron Ross <cross@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>       >>>>> Is the primary deliverable from ONTOLOG's work on OOR
>       to be a
>       >>>>> specification, an implementation, or both?
>       >>>>>
>       >>>>> Cameron
>       >>>>>
>       >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>       >>>>>
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