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Re: [ontology-summit] The tools are not the problem (yet)

To: Ontology Summit 2014 discussion <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Krzysztof Janowicz <janowicz@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 22:12:25 -0800
Message-id: <52DF6149.7050102@xxxxxxxx>
Hi,    (01)

>> What is Big Data if not FOL'ers work? Who are Semantic Webbers and
>> LOD'ers if not RDF'ers?    (02)

I am having trouble seeing the connection between Big Data and First 
Order Logic.    (03)

My point was that we should not tell people apart by assigning them to 
certain camps but focus on the commonalities and how to continue our 
joint mission.    (04)

I am also not sure whether I would call a technology that is at the core 
of the gigantic cloud of Linked Data 'fatally flawed'. Even more, I do 
not see the point of making such statements at all if the goal of the 
summit is to bring different groups together.    (05)

Best,
Krzysztof    (06)


On 01/21/2014 09:55 PM, John McClure wrote:
> Hi Krzysztof,
>
> What is Big Data if not FOL'ers work? Who are Semantic Webbers and
> LOD'ers if not RDF'ers?
>
> I agree it can be reworded to be nice and positive, but the message is
> the same. As someone said "Never apologize for what you think. It's like
> saying sorry for being real.
> 
><http://www.searchquotes.com/quotation/Never_apologize_for_what_you_feel._It%27s_like_saying_sorry_for_being_real./262537/>
>
> Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
> <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/l/lesterbpe170256.html>
> Read more at
> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/blunt.html#X17sPSdUR1BIc7SK.99
> Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
> <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/l/lesterbpe170256.html>
> Read more at
> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/blunt.html#X17sPSdUR1BIc7SK.99
> " But when we've got an environment in which the FOL'ers discount the
> work product of their brethren, then we're got a problem, Houston, which
> relates to the critical intersection of these two groups of ontology
> producers & consumers.
>
> regards/jmc
>
> On 1/21/2014 9:29 PM, Krzysztof Janowicz wrote:
>> Dear John,
>>
>>>> Accordingly I believe that Ontolog's 2014 communique should be extremely
>>>> clear: the current W3 RDF methodology for property specification is
>>>> fatally flawed and must be aligned with FOL'ers requirements.
>> from what I recall this year's summit is named 'Big Data and Semantic
>> Web Meet Applied Ontology'. Statements like the one above are for sure
>> the very best way to alienate most Semantic Webbers and Linked Data
>> researchers.
>>
>> Best,
>> Krzysztof
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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-- 
Krzysztof Janowicz    (08)

Geography Department, University of California, Santa Barbara
5806 Ellison Hall, Santa Barbara, CA 93106-4060    (09)

Email: jano@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Webpage: http://geog.ucsb.edu/~jano/
Semantic Web Journal: http://www.semantic-web-journal.net    (010)

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