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From: Bradley Shoebottom <bradley.shoebottom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:40:23 +0000
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I did not reach out to Rensselaer.    (01)

No response on the onto-summit post.    (02)

Re OMNI class, I could build it/populate it both ways :-) Ie 2 files.    (03)

Bradley Shoebottom
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www.innovatia.net    (05)


-----Original Message-----
From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of MacPherson, 
Deborah
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 2:12 PM
To: Ontology Summit 2013 discussion
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Hackathon: BACnet Ontology    (06)

As a knee jerk reaction I think it would be better to have " find the proper 
code you want through the options of the parent class"
However not completely sure....will need to try with some other things. Any 
responses on the RDF? I have a friend to ask if needed    (07)

DEBORAH MACPHERSON
Specifications and Research    (08)

Cannon Design
3030 Clarendon Blvd. 
Suite 500
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Phone: 703.907.2353
Direct Dial: 2353    (09)

dmacpherson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
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[mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bradley 
Shoebottom
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:45 PM
To: Ontology Summit 2013 discussion
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Hackathon: BACnet Ontology    (011)

Deb,    (012)

Translating the NAIC into rdf is a much bigger job than anticipated.    (013)

IT requires that a script be written to distinguish between classes and 
instances (instances are the bottom most number of a tree). I do not have this 
skill.    (014)

I initially thought I could easily pivot the table to create a tree and then 
import, but I do not have those skills in excel.    (015)

My tool does not easily allow the creation of classes from the spreadsheet. I 
would be looking at a many day process to develop the hierarchy and then 
populate it with instances.    (016)

I am wondering if someone at Reassert is still around that helped convert the 
US data gov info into RDF?    (017)

The OmniClass Table 32 has a problem too because many of the Level 2 title use 
the same title as in other Level 1 categories. The OmniClass code does changes. 
The definition remains the same. I So I could create instances based on the 
code and when you query the label, you would potentially get several and you 
would have to select the correct parent category. Or, I create instances based 
on the title name and include the several codes assigned to the same title with 
the single definition. You would be able to find the proper code you want 
through the options of the parent class. Once you let me know which you prefer, 
it would be easy to implement as my idea would only have the Level 1 titles be 
a class (about 10) and the remaining Level 2-4 to be instances using SKOS 
broader/narrower to define level 2-4. I can include synonyms (skos altLabel) 
and definitions.    (018)



Bradley Shoebottom
Senior Information Architect - Research and Product Development
Phone: (506) 674-5439   |   Toll-Free: (800) 363-3358
Skype: bradley.shoebottom
Email: bradley.shoebottom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx     (019)

www.innovatia.net    (020)

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of MacPherson, 
Deborah
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:04 AM
To: 'Ontology Summit 2013 discussion'
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Hackathon: BACnet Ontology    (021)

Hi Paul    (022)

A few years ago I dug into the NAICS codes and there is already a nice overlap.     (023)

The OmniClass Services table maps over to these codes, see 
[http://www.nationalbimstandard.org/nbims-us-v2/pdf/NBIMS-US2_c2.8.pdf]    (024)

OmniClass and NAICS sit right next to each other (alphabetically!) on the DoD 
Products and Services Report in the Business Enterprise Architecture 8.1, see 
[http://dcmo.defense.gov/products-and-services/business-enterprise-architecture/8.1/delta/term.htm]
 however please note 10 is current, see 
[http://dcmo.defense.gov/products-and-services/business-enterprise-architecture/10.0/classic/index.htm]    (025)

The Department of Energy DOE Building Energy Performance (BEP) Taxonomy also 
includes both OmniClass and NAICS, see 
[http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/commercial/pdfs/doe_building_energy_performance_taxonomy.pdf]    (026)

I'll look back at the Census spreadsheet and try to mash it up with some other 
things, thanks for the link.     (027)

Deborah    (028)

DEBORAH MACPHERSON
Specifications and Research    (029)

Cannon Design
3030 Clarendon Blvd. 
Suite 500
Arlington, VA 22201 
 
Phone: 703.907.2353
Direct Dial: 2353    (030)

dmacpherson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Cannondesign.com  
Skype debmacp    (031)

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pope, Paul Albert
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:21 PM
To: Ontology Summit 2013 discussion
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Hackathon: BACnet Ontology    (032)

Deborah, et al.,    (033)

I offer the following (perhaps cursory) info, FYI/FWIW, concerning your 
statement "...a part name or number ... that could be mapped to a generic form 
for broader exchange purposes" and the general interest in the "facilities 
domain."    (034)

North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) 
http://www.census.gov/eos/www/naics/
"It was developed jointly by the U.S. Economic Classification Policy Committee 
(ECPC), Statistics Canada, and Mexico's Instituto Nacional de Estadistica y 
Geografia, to allow for a high level of comparability in business statistics 
among the North American countries."
I wish this taxonomy was available in OWL or other format; alas, it is only(?) 
available as a spreadsheet:
http://www.census.gov/eos/www/naics/reference_files_tools/2012/2012_NAICS_Structure.xls    (035)

Concerning "Dining and Drinking Spaces", try entering the keyword "dining" into 
the search text box in the upper left for "2012 NAICS Search".
The last code in the list retrieved is "722511 Full-Service Restaurants".  
Click on that link.  Not responsible for hunger pangs that might result ;-)    (036)

B/R,
Paul Pope, Ph.D.
Los Alamos National Laboratory    (037)


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Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 3:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Hackathon: BACnet Ontology    (038)

Somewhere in this discussion is a problem that is the essence of what has been 
holding up progress in the facilities domain.    (039)

There are ways to publish technical requirements or test for conformance online 
for free, and pay (even substantially) to participate in the working groups or 
have voting privileges. For example OGC, W3C.    (040)

I can even see being able to own a part name or number within a larger 
communication machine that could be mapped to a generic form for broader 
exchange purposes. For example "13-57 13 15 Dining and Drinking Spaces" versus 
"The Sand Bar and Grille"    (041)

Depending on the domain, or need for cross disciplinary discussion, many on the 
 IP-protected side have no interest in supporting, or will even actively stops 
progress, on a common model. There is also the problem of failed common models 
that do not work, will not accommodate different object definitions - from 
software to software or industry model to industry model - without loss of data 
or functionality. Bentley systems has stepped forward in this white 
paper<http://ftp2.bentley.com/dist/collateral/docs/bentley_institute/White_paper_IFC.pdf>
 on the IFC model to say actually - the emperor has no clothes on. See pages 6 
and 7 "Round Tripping"    (042)

For some reason I think ontologies might be a way these IP-With-Open problems 
might be fixed but maybe I am wrong or wishing for too much.    (043)

DEBORAH MACPHERSON
Specifications and Research    (044)

Cannon Design
3030 Clarendon Blvd.
Suite 500
Arlington, VA 22201    (045)

Phone: 703.907.2353
Direct Dial: 2353    (046)

dmacpherson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmacpherson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cannondesign.com
Skype debmacp    (047)

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[mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Simon Spero
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:25 PM
To: Ontology Summit 2013 discussion
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Hackathon: BACnet Ontology    (048)

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Peter R. Benson 
<Peter.Benson@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:Peter.Benson@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Deborah, IP is a real issue. We designed the eOTD to try to resolve some of 
these issues. In a dictionary the IP resides in the representation but also in 
the identifiers or codes as these are always copyright.    (049)

That is not entirely clear;  see e.g.  SOUTHCO, INC v. KANEBRIDGE CORPORATION ( 
 http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/opinarch/021243pe.pdf ), where part numbers were 
found to be not protected (but see also how Alito takes care to distinguish 
Delta Dental )    (050)

Simon    (051)

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