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Re: [ontology-summit] First Model Bench Challenge

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From: Steve Ray <steve.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:46:32 -0700
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I agree that the real value of this exercise is for us to dig as deep as we
possibly can to model every conceivable interpretation of the concepts. This
will give us a fantastic artifact for intercomparisons & round-robin
exercises, as well as a great way to examine the different languages.    (01)


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[mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Brown
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To: Cory Casanave; Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
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Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] First Model Bench Challenge    (03)

A likely scenario drawn from this discussion is one in which one party views
the marriage as the event while another party views the marriage as the
state. They are never going to agree on a common definition, because each
has its own concept. Yet these two concepts are definitely related: One
marks the point of state transition that is part of the other's model.    (04)

I think this is illustrative of situations (pardon the double entendre) we
are going to encounter in the real world!    (05)

                                -- PCB    (06)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Cory Casanave [mailto:cory-c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 12:17 AM
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Subject: RE: [ontology-summit] First Model Bench Challenge    (011)

I would agree - there are 2 concepts under the label "Marriage", a situation
and an event. The intent of the example in the web page is the situation but
you may well also represent the event for extra credit!
-Cory    (012)

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontology-summit- bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hans 
> Polzer
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:55 PM
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> Isn't it both? Marriage is both a state transition (the rite that 
> signals the transition to a married state from an unmarried state), 
> and a steady state condition after the state transition occurs (as in 
> "their marriage has lasted for
> 50 years"). The word "wedding" is often used to distinguish between 
> the state transition and the steady state condition, denoting the 
> former but not the latter (although common usage isn't always precise 
> on this point, as  in "wedded bliss").
> 
> Hans
> 
> Hans
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack 
> Ring
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 8:44 PM
> To: doug@xxxxxxxxxx; Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
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> 
> ??
> Marriage is a situation in which a couple BECOMES married.") On Apr 
> 30, 2012, at 1:39 PM, doug foxvog wrote:
> 
> > Marriage is a situation in which a couple is married.")
> 
> 
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