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Thanks Joe,
I appreciate math because it's the last resort
of the prove. All other words are just words of hope and trust.
The math has paradigms of undersanding
universality and continuum.
The quantum physics is also a great source of
concepts and paradigms because we live in real continuum but communicate by
quants. The physics teaches us that quantification of continuum depends on how
we are prepared to measure (what answer we are looking for). And the answer
comes spontaneously as a miracle - similar to the reduction of the wave function
when the electron is penetrating via two holes through a
barrier.
If we are ready to understand - it does not matter what's the "real" event
pushed us in the understanding.
I think there is no sense in special event indeed. It could be an
article, a lecture, but it could be just tuch of wind,
or changed mood, or even some substance - whatever brings the wave function
to reduce in the pure state (if we are ready, of course).
I enjoy the concept of universality myself and I want to generalise it a
liitle bit (sorry if it is bothering).
The universal people do not have and do
not need more than love and share. All other stuff is just fun :)
Have fun
Yuri
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Problem Space
Yuriy:
Alexander Gross has produced "Six Laws of
Language..."
See link: http://languag2.home.sprynet.com/f/evishop.htm
FIRST
LAW:
"1. All communication takes place in shared contextual space,
subject to a more or less complex process of disambiguation, depending on the
conditions inherent in the other five Laws. That space can be more or
less roughly measured according to a specialized system of
cartography."
SECOND LAW:
"2. The Law of Variable Context
If
two people share sufficient context, almost any words, including sheer
nonsense—or no words at all—will suffice for them to communicate with each
other. If two people do not share sufficient context, then not all the words
in the world may be enough for them to grasp each other's meaning. Where
intermediate degrees of partial, fragmented, or otherwise limited or
"noise-distorted" context are shared, communication will be proportionately
difficult and/or unsuccessful."
During the discussion on this list, I
have developed a context that I associate with your comments. The context of
associates terms with variable meaning to a scientific-mathematical
context.
Have fun,
"Two chicken's in every
system"
"System, systems, systems, systems of systems, system!
Systems?"
Joe
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Yuriy Milov <qdone@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
"Chicken,
chicken chicken chicken. Chicken?" :))
It
makes sense and even has a value: 1,256,418 - Chickens?
:)
BTW
how many chickens exist (or may exist, or eated, or will be eated, or
whatever regarding the chicks)?
Yuri
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Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:24
PM
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit]
OS-2012 Problem Space
An example of information loss is available
at: --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL_-1d9OSdkJust
replace the work chicken with system, chickens with systems and you should
get the picture real fast..... Have fun, Joe
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Ali SH <asaegyn+out@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Jack,
Also this reference might help elucidate the notion of patterns in
this context [1], specifically section 4.
[1] GUIZZARDI, Giancarlo ; FALBO, R. A. ; PEREIRA FILHO, José
Gonçalves . Using Objects and Patterns to Implement Domain Ontologies.
Journal of the Brazilian Computer Society, Brasil, v. 8, n. 1, p. 43-56,
2002. - http://www.loa.istc.cnr.it/Guizzardi/SBES2001vf.pdf
Best,
Ali
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Ali SH <asaegyn+out@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Jack,
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Jack Ring <jring7@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Why not start by showing us the
similarities and differences among modeling, analysis, problem,
codification and transformation.
Then was heist 'patterns'?
I definitely do not follow re "heist patterns".
I'm not sure I understand. Are you asking how modeling, analysis,
problems etc. are all similar and/or different? At a high level, one
identifies a problem, analyses it, models it, perhaps codifies said
model in a particular language, and if they need to communicate with
others, then perhaps provide a transformation of said codification to
another. Not necessarily a linear activity, but easy to conceptualize
as such.
Obviously, they are all connected to one another.
My interpretation of these terms is that a problem pattern
pertains to descriptions of commonly occurring issues with regards to
various aspects of systems. I would suggest that the problem themes in
Exhibit 3 in [1] could all be candidate problem patterns.
An analysis pattern might then refer to different ways of
characterizing how the problem can be addressed in the systems
context. It would refers to the methodologies, perspectives or other
that are useful in analyzing the domain. Though it need not to, it
could take as input problem patterns and produce analyses of the
problems as they apply to different systems contexts.
A modeling pattern would refer to particular commitments for the
domain description. These patterns might take as input analysis
patterns, and provide as output suggestions / possible ways of
modeling the analysis - whether in natural language, FOL, category
theory, but a way of ontologizing aspects of the
analysis. For example, formalizing / articulating the
notion of "component" as a particular set of axioms could be a
possible modeling pattern.
The distinction between modeling and codification patterns is a
bit less clear to me, though perhaps Giancarlo can clarify his intent
with these terms. Hazarding a guess, I suspect that a codification
pattern take as input a modeling pattern, and produce as output a
representation of said pattern in a specific coding scheme / language.
Though I am not happy with this treatment. But say the modeling
pattern suggested that a 3D design choice was useful for
characterizing the notion of role. The codification pattern would take
this 3D design choice and explicate how it would be represented in
say, CommonLogic or OWL...
So let's take the notion of roles. MatthewWest presented a use
case which I believe contained a problem pattern for the role of roles
within a systems appilcation. This spawned a series of discussions
regarding how to treat roles, each perspective contributing an
analysis pattern of varying quality. Some further discussions
elaborated on this analysis and went so far as to tie it to an upper
ontology or ways of formally representing roles in an ontology - these
would be modeling patterns. Finally, though we haven't quite gotten
there, perhaps someone would suggest how to incorporate such a
modeling pattern into SysML or formalize it as a set of Common Logic
axioms -- these would be the codification patterns.
Finally, perhaps we want to demonstrate how the notion of Role as
formalized and codified in SysML can be mapped to roles as they are
used in another modeling paradigm. Such an output would be a
transformation pattern.
Is this clear?
Best,
Ali
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