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From: "AzamatAbdoullaev" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:05:36 +0200
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Ali's making a good distinction.
 
In development projects, we divide Architecture (Design), Engineering and Construction, for infrastructure and buildings, utilities and industrial plants.
We have different types of design, from architectural to industrial; engineering, from auronautics to rocketry; and construction, from line assembly to spaceship building.
As an example, take a landfill. Most of them neither designed, nor engineered, with rather trivial forms of waste management, harming the natural and urban environments, groundwater, soil, air, and wildlife.
Another example, shanty towns occupied by a billion and more people. There are no urban planning and design, engineering, and standard building practice, resulting in almost total absence of any infrastructure and streets, but mostly vermins, crimes and diseases.
From other side, there are brand new masterplanned cities on greenfield sites with intelligently designed, engineered and constructed urban environments, transportation networks, utilities, energy networks, ICT networks, buildings, and facilities. 
 
Bottom line
First Conception, Planning and Design, with designed systems, then Engineering, with engineered systems, finally, Building, Production, or Fabrication, with the constructed systems, as the built environment, concluded with Management.  
 
Azamat
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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] [ontology-summit-org] Track Content pages

Hi Matthew,

A quick point,

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Matthew West <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
... there is a distinction between systems in general
and engineered systems. Engineered systems are those that are the result of
some systems engineering process, whereas there are certainly systems that
arise naturally, and were not engineered for a purpose - at least not by
humans.

Many aspects of urban planning or other design work in large scale systems aren't necessarily the result of an explicit systems engineering process. From what I could tell, engineered was being used in the looser sense of something done with skill. I would suggest perhaps large-scale designed systems, or John's suggestion. I'll repeat in the other list as well.

Designed systems seems more apt than the more technical engineered systems...

Best,
Ali



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