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From: Mike Bennett <mbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 12:39:38 +0100
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Hi Peter,    (01)

Slide #10 focuses on presentation methods, as this was one of the 
themes we were looking to highlight (I added this slide as an 
after-thought). However, in terms of applications there were a 
number which used OWL, including some quite deep reasoning, 
knowledge extraction and SPARQL querying. For example we got a 
number of strong examples from TopQuadrant, who work exclusively 
in OWL and SPARQL, however, they also presented some interesting 
techniques for visible presentation of content in the business 
domain. See also the vehicle rental example (using ODM and 
therefore grounded in OWL constructs which are grounded in CL).    (02)

I do not know of any applications of first order logic other than 
OWL, though one or two case studies had their own proprietary 
formats.    (03)

In trying to summarise these in a few slides, I probably gave 
away my own biases. My concern has been that among those who use 
the deep semantics applications, reasoning and so on, there is 
sometimes a lack of awareness of ontology as a business domain 
model. I thought our range of case studies covered both. I 
certainly intended it to, from the outset.    (04)

Slide #9 shows the full range of ontology types that I thought we 
had, while Slide #8 tries to describe the different business use 
cases in which ontology was used. Conceptual modeling was only 
one of type of thing modeled (see Slide #11), whether we think of 
that as low hanging fruit or not.    (05)

Mike    (06)

On 04/04/2011 02:37, Peter Yim wrote:
> Our Mar-31 panel session highlighted one of my worries ...
>
> In all our sincerity to hide the complexity of the problems and the
> solution approaches, we have, disproportionately, focused our
> attention to present the "easy" stuff, and slighted the "difficult"
> stuff, where some the real promises and potentials of the ontological
> engineering approach are to be realized.
>
> Use cases of serious ontology work that supports deep semantics,
> reasoning, inferencing, etc. are being overshadowed by "low hanging
> fruits, terminology work, LOD, and other shallow semantics
> applications. Slide#10 of the Track-2 Report ([2-Bennett] presentation
> under: 
>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_03_31#nid2QT2
> ) confirmed those worries of mine. Not that they are unavailable (or
> we don't know about them), but none of the dozens of cases we had gone
> through, for example, applied Common Logic (or even First Order
> Logic)!
>
> I hope this issue can be address, in the rest of the Summit
> activities, especially through this discussion list, the Communique,
> and the proceedings of the OntologySummit2011 Symposium.
>
> Thanks&  regards.  =ppy
> --
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Peter Yim<peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Ontology Summit 2011: Panel Session-9 - All Hands:
> "Synthesis and Reports" - Thu 2011.03.31
> To: Ontology Summit 2011<ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Thanks to our Summit Co-chairs, all the Track Champions and the
> Communique Co-Leads, and everyone who participated, we had a *really*
> productive session last Thursday (2011.03.31). Anyone looking for a
> good synthesis of what has transpired so far (including some new
> inputs collected that day, particularly through the discussion and
> in-session chat) will do well revisiting the archived material from
> that session.
>
> I am writing to let everyone know that the full proceedings of the
> Ontology Summit 2011 Session-9 "All Hands: Synthesis and Reports" are
> now on online, and accessible from the session page at:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_03_31
>
> ... in particular, you will be able to hyperlink to the archived
> material (slides, audio recording, in-session chat-transcript, etc.)
> under: 
>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_03_31#nid2QSZ
>
> Please come join us, same time, next Thursday (2011.04.07) for the
> "OntologySummit2011: Communique draft review" - see:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_04_07 ...
> RSVP now!
>
>
> Thanks&  regards.  =ppy
>
> Peter Yim
> for and on behalf of the
> OntologySummit2011 Organizing Committee
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2011
> --
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Peter Yim<peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>  wrote:
> -[updated]-
>> Ontology Summit 2011: Making the Case for Ontology - Virtual Session-9
>>
>> Re: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_03_31
>>
>>
>> = *REMINDER* =
>>
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>>   - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_03_24
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>> Regards.  =ppy
>>
>> Peter Yim
>> Co-convener, Ontolog
>>
>> For and on behalf of the
>>
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