Mike and All, (01)
The application/use cases that were featured in earlier panel sessions
(not just from Track-2, but track-5 and even 4 as well) were
absolutely great! Therefore, please understand that there is
absolutely no "value" judgment on my part, when I made my earlier
post. If you ask me, the Watson-Jeopardy case is stunning, and we'd
be remiss if we did not feature it, despite the fact that it is not
deep semantics, and only used ontologies peripherally. (02)
I know we did not have time to showcase everything. I was only trying
to highlight the fact that we were somewhat skewed towards presenting
the "ontologically easier" stuff (I still remember Nicola's constant
reminder that this is supposed to be "Hard" and I asked, where are the
"ontologically harder" stuff?) ... and suggest that we steer ourselves
toward a more balanced exposition of the techniques, opportunities and
potential benefits of that whole spectrum of applications. (03)
It might also be useful to capture/highlight some of salient and
promising "mixed approaches" that have been discussed, like: (04)
* statistical + ontological (05)
* terminological + ontological (06)
* extending/associating domain ontologies from fully axiomatized CL
(FOL) upper ontologies (07)
* ... etc. (08)
Thanks & regards. =ppy (09)
p.s. btw, I actually did mean to reference your slides #9 and #10
(just ended up mentioning #10 was a typo on my part.)
-- (010)
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:39 AM, Mike Bennett <mbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Slide #10 focuses on presentation methods, as this was one of the
> themes we were looking to highlight (I added this slide as an
> after-thought). However, in terms of applications there were a
> number which used OWL, including some quite deep reasoning,
> knowledge extraction and SPARQL querying. For example we got a
> number of strong examples from TopQuadrant, who work exclusively
> in OWL and SPARQL, however, they also presented some interesting
> techniques for visible presentation of content in the business
> domain. See also the vehicle rental example (using ODM and
> therefore grounded in OWL constructs which are grounded in CL).
>
> I do not know of any applications of first order logic other than
> OWL, though one or two case studies had their own proprietary
> formats.
>
> In trying to summarise these in a few slides, I probably gave
> away my own biases. My concern has been that among those who use
> the deep semantics applications, reasoning and so on, there is
> sometimes a lack of awareness of ontology as a business domain
> model. I thought our range of case studies covered both. I
> certainly intended it to, from the outset.
>
> Slide #9 shows the full range of ontology types that I thought we
> had, while Slide #8 tries to describe the different business use
> cases in which ontology was used. Conceptual modeling was only
> one of type of thing modeled (see Slide #11), whether we think of
> that as low hanging fruit or not.
>
> Mike (011)
> On 04/04/2011 02:37, Peter Yim wrote:
>> Our Mar-31 panel session highlighted one of my worries ...
>>
>> In all our sincerity to hide the complexity of the problems and the
>> solution approaches, we have, disproportionately, focused our
>> attention to present the "easy" stuff, and slighted the "difficult"
>> stuff, where some the real promises and potentials of the ontological
>> engineering approach are to be realized.
>>
>> Use cases of serious ontology work that supports deep semantics,
>> reasoning, inferencing, etc. are being overshadowed by "low hanging
>> fruits, terminology work, LOD, and other shallow semantics
>> applications. Slide#10 of the Track-2 Report ([2-Bennett] presentation
>> under:
>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_03_31#nid2QT2
>> ) confirmed those worries of mine. Not that they are unavailable (or
>> we don't know about them), but none of the dozens of cases we had gone
>> through, for example, applied Common Logic (or even First Order
>> Logic)!
>>
>> I hope this issue can be address, in the rest of the Summit
>> activities, especially through this discussion list, the Communique,
>> and the proceedings of the OntologySummit2011 Symposium.
>>
>> Thanks& regards. =ppy
>> -- (012)
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