On Mar 4, 2011, at 8:07 PM, John F. Sowa wrote: (01)
> Bart,
>
> What I was trying to say is that the tools for ontologies are not
> integrated with mainstream software.
>
> Furthermore, OWL is totally isolated from Cyc, SUMO, and other
> AI technology. LISP is a compact, efficient, and readable notation
> for representing triples. JSON is another compact and readable
> notation that is familiar to every web developer. But the Semantic
> Webbers ignored both of them. They chose the most inefficient and
> unreadable notation ever inflicted on poor innocent programmers. (02)
OWL is based on description logics, which have a much wider usage in real-world
applications than all of AI KR work put together. Cyc is proprietary and cannot
be used by others. I do not know of any real-world applications of SUMO. Do you? (03)
LISP is hardly used by anyone. Much as we all regret this, it is the truth.
(Twice in the last year I have had young programmers telling me excitedly about
this really neat new system they have discovered called LISP, and have I heard
of it? History seems doomed to repeat itself over and over again.) (04)
RDF was developed 1999-2004, JSON in 2006, so it was hardly a case of
'ignoring' it. The RDF revision now under way has JSON integration as a top
priority and one of the first three action items. (05)
Meanwhile, deplore it as we may, XML syntax is more widely used than all other
notations ever developed. (06)
> JFS
>> But no ontology today will help anybody "build and maintain an
>> application quickly."
>
> BG
>> My apologies if I didn't explain myself. I'm not proposing an ontology
>> to develop tools, but instead tools that allow developers to work WITH
>> ontologies.
>
> That's exactly how I interpreted what you were saying. Unfortunately,
> no ontology tools are designed for mainstream software developers.
>
> BG
>> Open Data is an opportunity to promote semantics as well. The OpenData
>> repositories, free and pay-per-use, are growing.
>
> Yes. But they're not using OWL or any other ontology tools.
>
> BG
>> Develop/promote the tools that allow them to work with semantics in
>> one shape or another. Whether it's OWL, RDF, etc, these can be the
>> steppingstones to the acceptance of ontologies like SUMO and Cyc.
>
> When the Semantic Web was getting started in 1998, I was very hopeful
> that they would build a bridge between AI and mainstream software.
> But the Semantic Webbers ignored both.
>
> That's the theme of the following presentation, in which I was
> emphasizing the need for better integration:
>
> http://www.jfsowa.com/talks/iss.pdf
> Integrating Semantic Systems
>
> Please look at slides 21 to 23 for a brief summary of the way
> that the Semantic Web missed a great opportunity. Just look at
> Google -- they're the biggest web company on the planet, but
> they don't use the Semantic Web. They use JSON instead of RDF.
>
> Look at IBM Watson. IBM didn't use RDF or OWL. To represent
> their ontology and knowledge representation, they use UIMA,
> which has a more compact representation than RDF or OWL. (07)
Apples vs. oranges. UIMA isn't a Krep notation, it is a system model for
applications designed to process unstructured text. Which is, of course, why
WATSON used it. And BTW it is not very compact, using highly verbose XML for
its metadata. (08)
Pat (09)
>
> Until the Semantic Webbers wake up to reality, I have no
> hope for them.
>
> John
>
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