A typical development stages of any significant project (R&D or engineering
or construction) are: Conception (Modeling, Vision, Mission) > Analysis
(Initiation, Preparation; business analysis, financial analysis, stakeholder
analysis, project charter, etc.) > Planning and Design (Schematic design,
LLD, HLD, Detailed Design; WBS)> Implementation (Execution, Construction,
Manufacturing, Production) > Launch and Operation > Monitoring and Control >
Closing.
So designing comes after modeling, and not the other way round. Some
comments below.
Azamat (01)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Ring" <jring7@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Ontology Summit 2011 discussion" <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] conceptual modeling (02)
> Apparently you are unaware of
> Boeing 747
?
> Fashion models,
They fall under human models, like fetish model or role model. And fashion
manikins are hardly conceptual models :-)
> CRC card walk throughs during software design.
> War gaming for comprehension of design tradeoffs
> Model-based systems engineering (as contrasted to specification-based)
That means, first comes modelling then systems engineering planning and
design.
> etc., etc., etc.
>
> Take your sentence, "Designing is more about (all those gerunds) ..." and
> tell us "of what?"
> When you precis that, you get models. if models come from designing then
> how does modeling differ from design?
>
> OBTW, I suggest that "...mental, ontological, scientific, epistemological,
> semantic, logical, and mathematical, or computational..." are not
> different types of models but are different classes of models.
They are different types of a nonphysical conceptual model. The classes are
physical models, nonphysical models and digital models. (03)
> I would be interested in the criteria used for "different stages of
> intellectual activities."
Consider intellection/thought processes: conception, ideation, construction;
planning, preperation, provision; reasoning, thinking; problem solving;
deciding, explanation, etc.
>My understanding of how the brain works prevents me from presuming that any
>given 200 milliseconds of activity can be cleanly allocated to any one
>stage of activity. Although I will acknowledge that anyone who has
>programmed in Fortran for more than ten years comes close.
>
> Jack
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2011, at 12:56 PM, AzamatAbdoullaev wrote:
>
>> J. Ring Wrote: "Conceptual modeling is also called designing."
>> NO, they are different stages of intellectual activities, extended with
>> implementation (production, construction, manufacture) and operation.
>> Note
>> there are different types of conceptual modeling, such as mental,
>> ontological, scientific, epistemological, semantic, logical, and
>> mathematical, or computational. Modeling is close to sciences, while
>> design,
>> to professions, see H. Simon, the Sciences of the Artificial).
>> Desiging is more about planning, devising, inventing, formulating a plan,
>> problem-solving and creativity and purpose. One designs a new sales
>> strategy, not modeling it. We say urban design, product design,
>> industrial
>> design, graphic design, fashion design, architectural design, but not
>> models. Also, there are various design philosophies, principles,
>> approaches,
>> methods, and applications. The design process is closely associated with
>> architecture, engineering, business, education, law, and art, fine and
>> applied. Last not least, one develops environmental design, not
>> sustainable
>> conceptual modeling, basing on its principles, as reuse, recycling, and
>> renewability; clean materials; zero-carbon, zero-waste;
>> energy-efficiency;
>> biomimicry; quality and durability.
>> Azamat Abdoullaev
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jack Ring" <jring7@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Ontology Summit 2011 discussion" <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 8:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] conceptual modeling
>>
>>
>>> Obscure?
>>> When the marketplace is buzzing with "making innovation happen" why
>>> should
>>> ontologists focus only on describing archeological digs?
>>> Conceptual modeling is also called designing.
>>> Perhaps this highlights this group's obsession with ontology whereas
>>> many
>>> of the benefits come from the group therapy of ontology development.
>>>
>>> The capability most lacking in society is Foresight. If ontology
>>> development and ontology based activities can foster foresight then the
>>> market size is tremendous.
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:08 AM, AzamatAbdoullaev wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is another sample of a formal and obscure notion: "conceptual
>>>> modeling". How the mentioned stakeholders, (i) policy makers, (ii)
>>>> budget
>>>> holders, (iii) Technology Decision Makers (CIOs and Architects), (iv)
>>>> Implementers (engineers and developers), (v) users/consumers of the
>>>> technology, and (vi) educators, are supposed to read it. What its
>>>> scope,
>>>> constraints, context, variety, and meanings may be for each interested
>>>> party, if it's about:
>>>> 1. a model of concept, like AI conceptual models,
>>>> 2. a domain model/problem model, like the UML's class diagram,
>>>> describing
>>>> its key concepts, attributes, and relationships,
>>>> 3. reality model, representing the real world entities, properties, and
>>>> relationships.
>>>> Azamat
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Nicola Guarino" <guarino@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: "Ontology Summit 2011 discussion"
>>>> <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] [OAF] [Case studies]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Michaels,
>>>>>
>>>>> something which is missing from the OAF picture on the community wiki
>>>>> is
>>>>> the use of ontologies for conceptual modelling, and in general for
>>>>> understanding a domain. This is clearly mentioned in the paper cited
>>>>> below
>>>>> (and in many other places, of course), and was also emerging from the
>>>>> online discussion (which I am following only sporadically, I
>>>>> admit...).
>>>>>
>>>>> Talking to you soon,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicola
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. I find the bullet on "Semantic augmentation" a bit confusing,
>>>>> let's
>>>>> think about how to improve it...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3 Mar 2011, at 04:31, Michael F Uschold wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Population of a Framework for Understanding and Classifying Ontology
>>>>>> Applications
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember this from way back, someone took the ontology application
>>>>>> framework Jasper and I created and populated it. Might be worth
>>>>>> skimming
>>>>>> again for those interseted in the case studies and the ontology
>>>>>> application framework tracks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abstract. A framework[1] recently developed for understanding
>>>>>> and classifying ontology applications provides opportunities to
>>>>>> review the state of the art, and to provide guidelines for
>>>>>> application
>>>>>> developers from different communities. The framework identifies
>>>>>> four main categories of ontology applications: neutral authoring,
>>>>>> ontology as specification, common access to information, and
>>>>>> ontology-based search. Specific scenarios are outlined for each
>>>>>> category, and a number of features have been identified to
>>>>>> highlight the similarities and differences between them. In this
>>>>>> paper we populate the scenarios with a number of prominent
>>>>>> research and industrial applications within diverse communities
>>>>>> such as knowledge engineering, heterogenous information systems
>>>>>> integration, enterprise modelling, Web based applications, and
>>>>>> object-oriented distributed systems. Population of the framework
>>>>>> should allow different communities to discover applications that
>>>>>> fulfil specific purposes and benefits, to discover what roles the
>>>>>> ontology plays, who the principle actors are and what they do, and
>>>>>> what supporting technologies are used for these applications.
>>>>>> Potential application developers can examine the descriptions in
>>>>>> the populated framework to inspire them to use different methods
>>>>>> and technologies for their specific applications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Michael Uschold, PhD
>>>>>> Senior Ontology Consultant, Semantic Arts
>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://tr.im/limfu
>>>>>> Skype, Twitter: UscholdM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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