That is a good way of putting it. (01)
When people discover a new country they document their
discoveries in a recognised format which others can use to
navigate around that country without coming to grief on the
rocks. So yes, it's not just discovering, it's making those
discoveries explicit and computable by way of some recognised
model formalism. (02)
Mike (03)
On 04/03/2011 13:22, Harris, Marcelline R., Ph.D. wrote:
> Or is the distinction between designing and making explicit and
> computable?
>
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> I think the distinction is between designing and discovering.
>
> I've caused raised eyebrows in the past by saying "The art of
> ontology is the art of not designing something", but perhaps I
> should qualify that to say that's the art of ontology as business
> conceptual model - one of the use cases for semantic technology
> but clearly not the only one.
>
> I'm sure there is some good literature on model theory which
> would apply here, i.e. being able to formally state what is the
> relationship between the model and the thing modeled. In the case
> of the business conceptual model (I say "business" conceptual
> model because there are also some technical interpretations of
> this word "conceptual" which differ), what is modeled is the set
> of things and facts about those things in the business domain.
> These are things like bonds, buildings, fires, people, risk,
> counterparties and so on.
>
> It's particularly important to make this model relationship
> explicit in areas where much of the "real" is also situated on
> computer systems, such as financial instruments, money, legal
> instruments and so on. There is a need to discover (and not
> "design") what is the reality of a financial instrument, grounded
> in legal and accounting concepts that already exist in the real
> world and require no design by any ontologist, they just need
> discovering and documenting. Semantic technology provides the
> best means yet of documenting those realities in formal ways
> which can then be used as the basis of design for computer
> systems, for instance for trading, risk analysis and so on.
>
> Mike
>
> On 04/03/2011 12:09, David Price wrote:
>> I'm not quite sure why this group has such an aversion to adjectives.
>> This entire discussion is because 'design' is too broad a term - same
>> for the term 'model'. In Mfg, the term for creating a model of
> something
>> to build is typically called 'detailed design' where mechanical
>> engineers, for example, would build '3D CAD models'. However, 'fashion
>> design' is a completely different context where 'model' means a human
>> clothes rack and walking around with clothes is called 'modeling'.
>>
>> So, in some industries/contexts 'designing' and 'modeling' are
> synonyms
>> but in others they are not - one might ask 'Why is that confusing?'
> and
>> the answer is obviously misunderstood context. So, unless you
> understand
>> the full context of the sentence 'conceptual modeling is a kind of
>> designing' you cannot really disagree (or even agree) ... and yet here
>> we are. If you simply look at a dictionary
>> (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/design) you'll find that
> both
>> Jack's view and Azamat's view are acceptable uses of the term 'design'
> -
>> people are just talking past each other.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> On 3/4/2011 7:51 AM, Matthew West wrote:
>>> Dear Jack,
>>>
>>> You said:
>>>
>>>> When you precis that, you get models. if models come from designing
> then
>>> how
>>>> does modeling differ from design?
>>> MW: Models can also be used for analysis, to try to understand how
> things
>>> are, rather than how you intend things to be. I would not call that
> design.
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>>>
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