Hi, (01)
Yes, and after a few steps we can get some feedback from others, perhaps? (02)
Cheers, (03)
Bob (04)
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Peter, (06)
Let's try for the following week - 25th. That way we can see if we can
push
the process a step or two further. (07)
Best regards,
Denise (08)
"Peter P. Yim" (09)
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Denise, (024)
> [DB] this Thursday ... cannot participate - but the three > of you can
definitely go ahead and meet and I'll catch up > later. (025)
[ppy] Unfortunate ... how about the immediate following week (same time Thu
5/25)? (026)
> [DB] You are right about the spreadsheet - it seems that it > cut off
about 202 lines (content objects) at the bottom.
> I will go back and regenerate the export from the Coast site > map to
include the last 202 objects. (027)
[ppy] hopefully, using, say, the .csv format may break us loose from the
spreadsheet maximum number of rows constraint. (028)
Ref my earlier discussion (see:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontologizing/2006-05/msg00002.html#nid09
), I noticed on your inventory spreadsheet, you ARE inventorying all
versions of a wiki page. Therefore, ref that discussion, you might consider
just inventorying the 'current' version of each page, and leave the history
behind. (029)
> [DB] > Re: shared file workspace - let me see if I can run > the
Teragram concept extraction file against a remote > directory. (030)
[ppy] you have already captured the links in your inventory map now. Ref
your spreadsheet <ontolog-cwe-inventory-map_dbedford_20060514a.xls> rows
22382 & below (showing our shared ./file/resource content), and, rows
25407 & below (showing our shared ./file/work content). (031)
The way we have it, any item that is dropped into the CWE -- i.e.
discussion archives, wiki page or shred-files in the repository) are browser
(http) accessible. Which means, you don't have to 'map' to a 'remote
directory' ... as long as Teragram can extract via a web link, our content
will be available (as it is already being served by apache over http.)
Thanks & regards. =ppy
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dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote Mon, 15 May 2006 11:59:59 -0400:
> Peter,
>
> Unfortunately, I have a KMWG Board Meeting this Thursday so cannot
> participate
-
> but the three of you can definitely go ahead and meet and I'll catch up
later.
>
> You are right about the spreadsheet - it seems that it cut off about 202
lines
> (content objects) at the bottom. I will go back and regenerate the
export
from
> the Coast site map to include the last 202 objects. Also, this is only
to
> Level 6 so anything lower in the WIKI will not be included.
>
> Re: shared file workspace - let me see if I can run the Teragram concept
> extraction file against a remote directory. If I can, we don't need a
second
> store of the data. If I need a "local Bank"
>
> Best regards,
> Denise (033)
> "Peter P. Yim" (034)
> <peter.yim@cim3 (035)
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>
>
> Denise,
>
> 1. This is great!
>
> (a) Denise ... your plan sounds good.
>
> (b) we actually don't have a Invited Speaker or Scheduled Discussion
> Event for Ontolog this Thursday (nor the next week).
> Would be great if we devote, say, half the session, on discussions
> relating to this project. Can you all make it to this Thursday's (5/11
> 1:30~3:00pm EDT / 10:30am~12:00 PDT) call? And next week's?
>
> 2. File content: at first glance -
>
> (a) I unzipped and opened up your spreadsheet file with my OpenOffice
> application (I don't have MS Excel on my desktop machine), and was
> only able to see up to row 65536. I have a feeling this may not be the
> end of the content you have put together. It seems that either you or
> I ran into a constraint posed by either yours or my spreadsheet
> program.
>
> (b) I'll check (other versions of spreadsheet programs) too, but would
> you check and see if you might be able to put the content into a
> different file format (say, .csv) so that we can avoid this
> limitation, and possibly make the file more portable too, please
> Denise?
>
> 3. Ref. the attachment limitations ... Yes.
>
> (a) I renamed Denise' file to
> <ontolog-cwe-inventory-map_dbedford_20060514a.zip> sand have done
> uploading both the zip file and the unzipped .xls file. You will be
> able to find them under:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologizingOntolog/TaxoThesaurus/
>
> (b) the CWE is designed so that users can drag and drop their shared
> file into the shared-file workspace via WebDAV (the web distributed
> authoring and versioning protocol).
>
> (c) the instructions (a one time setup) to set oneself up for this
> file upload can be found at:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ToolsCollaboration#nidAVL
> ... please try it. It could be a bit tricky for some machines, but I
> will be more than happy to walk the members of this team through the
> setup (during one of our calls) in the near future, if anyone wants
> it.
>
> (d) our shared-file workspace:
>
> > [DB] Peter do you think you could create the directory for > us to
> work from?
>
> [ppy] Our workspace for this project (is already up), and they are at:
>
> Wiki (collaborative authoring / shared display):
>
> Discussion workspace:
> distribution-list: mailto:ontologizing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> discussion archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontologizing/
>
> Shared-file workspace:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologizingOntolog/TaxoThesaurus/
>
> [ref:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologTaxoThesaurus#nidMU1 ]
>
> ... don't know if that answers your question, Denise?
> (In particular, if the "shared-file workspace" directory the
> "directory" you want to see created?
>
> Thanks & regards. =ppy
> -- (052)
> Bob Smith wrote Mon, 15 May 2006 07:50:29 -0700:
>> Hi Denise,
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Your plans for next steps sounds reasonable to me;
>>
>> - I do not have immediate access to a crawler but I will check with a
>> friend at Kayvium about the status of his software.
>>
>> - Lisa, Peter: any comments?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob (053)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:dbedford@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:38 AM
>> To: Peter P. Yim; Bob Smith; Lisa
>> Subject: Ontolog Wiki Inventory
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Attached (at long last) is an inventory of the content of the Ontolog
>> Wiki down to Level 6 in the tree structure. (See attached file:
>> Ontolog Wiki Site Map.zip). The Ontology tree actually goes down 23
>> levels - across the full site
>> - but after running the full scan it seemed that most of the content
>> was at level 6 or above.
>>
>> It is about 15m, so I zipped it to get through any size ceilings you
>> might have on your email. As it turns out the file is too large for
>> the list so I'm sending it to your direct email addresses.
>>
>> Here's how to reach the contents of the inventory:
>>
>> Column A = path to the file
>> Column B = File Name
>> Column C = File Extension/Type
>> Column D = Title if there is one available Column E = Author where
>> available Column F = Last Modified Date Column G = File Size Column H
>> = downloading speed (we use this to check for slow pages/content)
>> Column I = Outbound Link Column J = External Links
>>
>> Suggested next steps:
>>
>> the team - Lisa especially - reviews the inventory to decide what
>> kinds of
>> content we will cover in our ontologizing exercise
>> we make a copy of the inventory wihch reflects our selections, and
>> extract
>> the content to be ontologized from the wiki. Bob or Lisa - do you
>> know of a
>> crawler we could use to collect the content? If not, I can do this
but
>> it
>> might take me a bit longer since I'll have to work at it in
>> bits/pieces of
>> time or ask a colleague here to recommend a tool;
>> store the content in a directory - Peter do you think you could
>> create the
>> directory for us to work from?
>> once we have the actual content in one/more directories, I'll
>> proceed to run
>> the concept extraction and build the categorizer, summarizer
>>
>> Does this sound like a plan? Please let me know if you want me to run
the
>> scan
>> deeper - Peter can probably tell at a glance what is missing from the
>> inventory.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Denise (054)
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