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Re: [ontolog-forum] Future Consequences of AI and Automation

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From: Philip Jackson <philipcjacksonjr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:23:23 -0400
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Hello Michael,
On Sun, Sep 07, 2014, Michael Brunnbauer wrote:
> My opinion that human-level AI would probably not be controllable and servile
> came from a more conservative definition of human-level AI that involves
> being indistinguishable from humans. Your definition of human-level AI seems
> to be broader.
Thesis section 2.1.1 discusses issues related to the Turing Test, and gives my thoughts on how to define and recognize human-level AI. My perspective is that in seeking to achieve human-level AI, we need not seek to replicate erroneous human reasoning, nor in general to fool people into thinking the AI system is a human being. That is, human-level AI is not the same as human-identical AI.
To define and recognize human-level AI, I propose a 'design inspection' approach, rather than a behaviorist test. This would be an analysis of a system's design and operation that supports saying a system has abilities we would say demonstrate human-level intelligence.
Section 2.1.2 discusses characteristics of human-level intelligence which to date have not been fully achieved in AI systems. It proposes an initial list of abilities for human-level AI that includes natural language understanding, higher-level forms of learning and reasoning, imagination, and consciousness.
> > More generally, the issue is about trust, rather than control of
> > human-level AI systems.
> Yes - we may have to trust them or limit their physical abilities - just
> like with a human being. I was supposing that there will be no practical
> third option of looking into or manipulating the mind. That is what I mean
> by being uncontrollable.
> But with a broader sense of "human-level AI", such a third option may become
> feasible - though I doubt that TalaMind traces of such an AI would be really
> accessible for humans in any way.
Since Tala is a conceptual language with a syntax based on English, a TalaMind system could provide traces of its reasoning about a problem, represented as English sentences. So, this information could be accessible to humans. It could also be accessible to other AI systems, for review and checking.
> > People seem to have little problem trusting (and liking) R2D2 and C3PO of Star Wars, and Data of Star Trek
> IMO, R2D2 and Data are good examples of AIs that are neither controllable nor
> servile - C3PO a bit less so :-)
> > and Robbie the Robot of Forbidden Planet.
> Unfortunately, I do not remember Forbidden Planet well enough.
A great movie, well worth seeing again!
> > It seems my arguments are not convincing you to abandon a belief
> > that human-level AI will necessarily be a "threat" to humanity.
> I do not see it as threat. If it can be called human, it cannot be a threat
> to humanity.
OK, thanks for this clarification. Arguably, human-identical AI would be more of a threat to humanity, than human-level AI -- since human-identical AI would have the same emotions, instincts for self-preservation, etc., that humans have.
link to thesis information


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