I believe Mr Bottoms is referring to ownership of shares by
investors, not founders. These shares are private property, which
happens to be a right not spelled out in our Constitution either.
I'd clarify his question to be if private property is inherently
confidential to its owner, then why should not all communications,
inherently owned by its authors, have similar protections? This need
not be a political question for this technical forum, because the
topic here I think is what is the ontology -- related classes and
properties -- for this notion "privacy". We all know that private
property, as epitomized by intellectual property, is but a bundle of
rights, so it certainly seems on the surface that there's a
relationship between these ideas, and therefore the question is
valid.
/john
On 1/15/2014 3:59 PM, Rich Cooper
wrote:
Dear John,
Wayne, Kingsley et al,
John, you
wrote: “They
already award anonymity to investors who establish
corporations, so shouldn't
individuals be able to claim this same privilege?”
There is a
special IRS subchapter S which
defines the extent of corporations that can be
formed by two or more individuals,
and most motivated people can find silent
partners for the other one. I
don’t recall exactly what that extent was, but
it’s the smallest of
the small, as would befit a corporation run by
one with a designated
other.
-Rich
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT
EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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Duane,
I have not seen an ontology of privacy. There
have been some discussions about
this issue that might be informative.
First, privacy is not mentioned in the
Constitution as a right. It has been
argued that it is a derived right from other
rights mentioned including
"...life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness." and "...freedom
from search and seizure", (Fourth amendment)
but even then, there are
limits to this freedom for searches using
warrants.
Yes, we do allegedly give
up
rights with Terms of Agreement. However, there
is a professor at Harvard who
argues that TOA's are not valid contracts in
that they are not arrived at as an
agreement between equal parties. I don't think
this has been tested in court.
If I had to write an ontology for privacy I
would attempt to do it as a
reflection of a contractual agreement, in that
privacy is something owed to me,
either as a citizen or as derived from the
Constitution. I don't think it can appear
"vero eos
et auras" (out
of
thin air) from living in a democracy. That is, I
don't see it as a right
imbued by having residence within the borders of
the U.S.
While we are at it, I have been working on "roles"
and have been
considering the term "imbued". It came up during a
movie I was
watching. The bad guy was wondering "Is this
Kaley's room? It seems odd
that that the room has 'Kaley' assigned to it." It
sounded like he was
wondering if a room, a non-agent, can have a role
assigned to it. I decided
that whatever it was, to be "imbued" is to have
others recognize that
the room is assigned to a certain person, in this
case "Kaley". It
clearly comes off as one of Austen's Speech Acts
such as christening a ship. It
is an assignment that is recognized by a group of
people and is logged in a
registry of ship names, just as the members of the
(Firefly) ship recognizes
the room as Kaley's.
Likewise, I think privacy is something that is
culturally recognized by groups
of people. Even as children, before we have any
notion of contracts or law, we
recognize that we need privacy. And the courts
should recognize this innate
need. They already award anonymity to investors
who establish corporations, so
shouldn't individuals be able to claim this same
privilege?
-John Bottoms
FirstStar System
Concord,
MA USA
On 1/15/2014 3:13 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
On 1/15/14 2:51 PM,
Duane Nickull wrote:
It is an invasion
of privacy if you do not consent to
have your data used as such. In most
cases, people willingly signed over
those rights. Check the ToS on Facebook
for example.
Secondly, opting
in is not the issue, opting out is.
There is also the
concept of context and traverse
ability. I may have your weight recorded
but in a manner where it is not
directly attributable to you without
further correlation. Cookies are a
good example of this.
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Privacy is self-calibration of one's
vulnerability on or offline.
"You" not "Them" decide to lock your
front-door at night,
for instance.
Any situation in which "You" aren't the
calibrator of
"Your" vulnerability is an invasion of
privacy.
--
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OpenLink Software
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