Re: [ontolog-forum] Body Parts and Early-Learned Verbs

[Gary Berg-Cross <gbergcross@xxxxxxxxx>]

John

Yes, "Origins of Intelligence in the Child" is a reference and he does see value in discussing Theories of Forms and wholes in the section preceding your quote.

 He sets the stage for his subsequent disagreement with Gestalt in that don't attempt to explain where the forms come from which has a Platonic feel to it as he gestures.  

Closer to Piaget is the work with non-associative, inventive learning & memory, which people like Kohler and Bartlett advanced.  They were all opponents of the Behavorists which tended to get them discussed together, but there were important differences which one gets to as soon as Piaget starts talking developmentally.

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On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM, John F Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 9/4/2013 11:44 AM, Gary Berg-Cross wrote:
> Piaget was many things, but not a cognitive nativist.  So he was not one
> to easily adopt this idea of innate perceptual groupings. Piaget was
> better characterized as  a stage theory developmentalist in which
> various forms of learning played the key role.  In part because of his
> ideas on active learning, modern constructionists claim he as their own.
> As he said. "Intelligence organizes the world by organizing itself"
> That active role of intellect is front and center in Piaget.

That is true.  But Piaget certainly assumed that the brain contains
a great deal of innate structure, whose development supports those
stages.  Following is a quotation from his _Origins of Intelligence
in the Child_, in which he begins by noting common points between his
approach and Gestalt psychology.  Then he notes the differences:

Piaget
> Having thus defined these common traits, we find ourselves more free
> to show how the hypothesis of assimilation tries to surpass the theory
> of forms and not to contradict it, and how the "schema" is a "Gestalt"
> made dynamic and not a concept destined to react against the progress
> of the Gestalt movement.

To see the full context, select a phrase, put it in quotes, and
Google it.  That should take you to the same page in Google Books
from which I copied it.

John


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