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Re: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Ontologies and individuals

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From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 22:38:47 -0800
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On Dec 20, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Matthew West wrote:    (01)

> Dear Pat,
>> ...
>> To return to "individual". If this is taken to mean "not having
>> instances" (or maybe, "of a kind that inherently does not have
>> instances", to rule out the empty set) then my problem with it is that
>> the actual logic of CL makes *everything* into a non-individual,
>> because CL allows any name to be used in a relation or predicate
>> position. And IMO this is the right way to approach this issue: it is
>> not an ontological matter at all, but a *logical* matter. 
> 
> MW: At the language level I agree. A good language makes the smallest number
> of commitments possible. CL is easily the best logical language I have come
> across. In any case, just because any term can be used as a predicate does
> not mean that you have to do that. It's your philosophical ontology that
> leads you to choose not to do that. So individuals (in my sense) are amongst
> those things that you would not choose to place in the predicate position.    (02)

No, they are things that *you* would not choose to place there. I reserve the 
right to place anything in a predicate position. I have found good use cases, 
for example, for treating character strings and numbers as predicates, neither 
of which were predictable until I found a use for them while writing axioms. 
The moral I draw is that no matter what philosophical or a priori thinking is 
done, there is no way to know whether or not it will be useful to treat 
something as a predicate; and when it is, to have decided a priori that 
istcannot be, is simply to have shot oneself in the foot before beginning the 
actual work.     (03)

Pat    (04)

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