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Re: [ontolog-forum] Fwd: Ontologies and individuals

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From: Paul Tyson <phtyson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:37:22 -0600
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On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 01:34 -0800, Pat Hayes wrote (among other things):    (01)

> ... there are important,
>  down-to-earth reasons for using an unsegregated logical language,
>  reasons that far transcend any philosophical scruples about the nature
>  of non-individual-hood. Basically, one gets the expressive
>  advantages of a higher-order language within a purely first-order
>  logic. Such a gain is not to be lightly dismissed ...; but more
>  fundamentally, the possiblity of using an unsegregated first-order
>  language seems to render this whole discussion moot: for what is the
>  point of deciding on a classification which is rendered vacuous *as a
>  matter of logical necessity* when one uses a modern logical notation?
>  Aren't there more important things to worry about? Why not just say,
>  you can think of anything as an individual (when you wish to make
>  assertions about it) and also as a predicate or relation (when you
>  wish to use it make assertions about other things), and this choice of
>  of no ontological importance whatsoever. Because if you write your
>  axioms in CLIF, it isn't.    (02)

For practical purposes, how far would you press the question, "what is
the point of deciding on a classification which is rendered vacuous [by,
e.g., Common Logic]"? Does it only apply to the notion of "individual";
or should we banish all terms that engender argument (as John Sowa
suggests), or those that fill out the upper levels of a taxonomy or
require interpretation by a guru (as you suggest); or could any proposed
classification be subjected to this test?    (03)

Regards,
--Paul    (04)


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