Kingsley Idehen wrote:
> On 7/12/12 2:15 PM, David Price wrote:
>> OMG URIs are not designed to be de-referencable in the Linked Data sense.
>
> Yes, but they should be :-)
>
> Kingsley (01)
This is a can of worms we do not want to open. W3C intentionally
confused locators and identifiers, and then none other than TBL insisted
that HTTP prefixes could be used for non-dereferenceable URIs. We are
not in a position to rewrite the rules or change the misguided
practice. We can only watch them cast the clay feet. (02)
-Ed (03)
P.S. I think Kingsley and I have had some such interchange before... (04)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
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>> On 12 Jul 2012, at 17:55, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/12/12 12:48 PM, Steve Ray wrote:
>>>> Matthew,
>>>> ISO standards aren't very good at providing URIs. I was hoping to
>>>> hear some specific recommendations, such as:
>>>>
>>>> http://schema.omg.org/spec/UML/2.1/uml.xml:UnlimitedNatural
>>>> http://schema.omg.org/spec/UML/2.1/uml.xml:Boolean
>>>
>>> Both of those URIs 404. Are they supposed to be de-referenced?
>>>
>>> Kingsley
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Matthew West [mailto:dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:14 AM
>>>> To: steve.ray@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:steve.ray@xxxxxxxxxx>;
>>>> '[ontolog-forum] '
>>>> Subject: RE: [ontolog-forum] URIs [was: Truth]
>>>>
>>>> Dear Ray,
>>>> Probably ISO.
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> <mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:ontolog-forum-
>>>>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Steve Ray
>>>>> Sent: 12 July 2012 17:05
>>>>> To: '[ontolog-forum] '
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] URIs [was: Truth]
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew,
>>>>> I completely agree with you, and would be interested to hear from
>>>> this
>>>>> group what they believe are authoritative URIs for common data types
>>>>> such
>>>> as:
>>>>> Float (or Real)
>>>>> Integer
>>>>> Boolean
>>>>> String
>>>>>
>>>>> And then, thoughts on the same for measured quantities such as:
>>>>>
>>>>> AbsoluteDateTime
>>>>> Duration
>>>>> (I'll stop here for now)
>>>>>
>>>>> - Steve
>>>>>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew
>>>>> West
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:37 AM
>>>>> To: doug@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:doug@xxxxxxxxxx>; '[ontolog-forum] '
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] URIs [was: Truth]
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Doug,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is an important point.
>>>>>
>>>>> DF> The more that people reuse existing URIs instead of inventing
>>>>> DF> their own,
>>>>> the
>>>>>> more utility the massive tuple stores can provide.
>>>>> MW: One of the things I try to promote is the idea of an authoritative
>>>> source,
>>>>> so not only are there relatively few URIs for the same thing, but
>>>>> there is
>>>> a
>>>>> natural preference for which one to use. So to cross threads, if we
>>>>> are looking for what URI to use to identify Ferrari 458 Italia, the
>>>>> one
>>>> Ferrari
>>>>> uses should be preferred, because they are clearly the authoritative
>>>> source.
>>>>> MW: This has the corollary that authoritative sources have the
>>>> responsibility
>>>>> to create URIs for the things they are responsible for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
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