On Mar 29, 2012, at 2:59 PM, Rich Cooper wrote: (01)
> Dear Chris,
>
> I am discussing ontology development from the point of view of various users,
>not only from the point of view of professors or logicians. (02)
Well, Chris, I guess that puts you in YOUR place. Bloody professors think they
know everything, not one of them could use a bloody screwdriver. Why, my
grandfather, who worked his way up by the sweat of his brow, he knew more about
the way the actual world works that all of these poncy ivory-tower gits who
rabbet on all day about logics and such nonsense. (03)
> Though logic has its place in ontology, it is not sufficient to designate
>the objects that ontologies are about. Numerous examples have been given by
>Hans, Amanda, Mike, and myself.
>
> May I suggest that you consider for a while exactly what those variable and
>constant names in a logical expression refer to? (04)
See? I bet you never even *thought* of that before Rich pointed it out! Hah!! (05)
Pat (06)
> What do you do when people (e.g. on this list) disagree about what is
>referenced? If ontology can’t point to meaningful objects and relationships,
>then it is about nothing.
>
> -Rich
>
> Sincerely,
> Rich Cooper
> EnglishLogicKernel.com
> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Rich Cooper <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
> Dear Chris,
>
> Reality is far, far more than logic.
>
> Indeed. Why you think this is in any way germane to my post is a mystery to
>me.
>
> The purpose
> of any representation of reality is so that we can
> manipulate reality in ways that assist us, and so
> that we can know which realities cannot be
> manipulated.
>
> In addition to logic, there is usefulness,
> appreciation (beauty, attractiveness, elegance,
> love, lust, ..), value (preference of one thing
> over another given a choice), and all the
> humanities.
>
> Limiting ourselves to just logic is a poor strategy, IMHO.
>
> This is so far off the point I hardly know where to begin. Ontology
>engineering is about the representation of information. But there is no
>limitation on the type of information — it can be anything from payrolls to
>art to ethics. And, obviously, extra-logical methods and tools will be
>involved in the analysis and collection of that information. But the medium of
>representation in ontology engineering is formal logic and constructing
>ontologies in formal logic is the name of the game. It makes about as much
>sense to talk about "limiting" ontologists to "just logic" as it does to talk
>about "limiting" a conductor to "just an orchestra". If you are not talking
>about issues and problems related ultimately to the representation of
>information — any information — in logic, you are not talking about ontology
>engineering.
>
> -chris
>
>
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