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Re: [ontolog-forum] Some Grand Challenge proposal ironies

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From: "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:41:46 -0700
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Dear John,

 

You wrote below:

 

If we want to move beyond discussions, we will have to show how we can solve real problems.  But that requires us to analyze real problems.

 

Where can we find some actual examples of those messy problems that the owners would let us examine in public?

 

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-Rich

 

John

 

 

 

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

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Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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-----Original Message-----
From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John F. Sowa
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:58 PM
To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Some Grand Challenge proposal ironies

 

On 10/26/2011 5:03 PM, Cory Casanave wrote:

> An area of interest to me and many of our clients is solving

> the information federation problem.

 

That is indeed a very important problem.  But people have been talking

about that problem since the 1970s.  That problem has many very thorny

issues.  But most of the so-called "use cases" abstract away all the

thorns by stating some little toy problems.

 

> Federated data is inherently distributed, uncoordinated, messy and

> conflicting - yet there is value in leveraging these disparate data

> resources in a more unified way

 

I agree.  I realize that dealing with a full scale problem that some

large corporation really needs to solve is very difficult.  But you

can't solve a problem that is "inherently distributed, uncoordinated,

messy and conflicting" by just looking at little snippets.

 

Unfortunately, anybody who has large amounts of messy data will

usually be reluctant to release it to public scrutiny because it

inevitably contains trade secrets or other confidential material.

 

> Discussions of this problem that involve, for example, the OWL,

> Linked Data and Common Logic communities result in theoretical

> and sometimes religious wars that can and have frightened

> potential consumers of the technology away.

 

If we want to move beyond discussions, we will have to show how

we can solve real problems.  But that requires us to analyze

real problems.

 

Where can we find some actual examples of those messy problems

that the owners would let us examine in public?

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

 

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