The neat/scruffy terminology was introduced in AI by Roger Schank, who
considered himself a scruffy through and through. One of my proudest memories
is of a conversation with Roger in which he told me that although I was (as we
all knew) a neat, still I had a scruffy heart. (01)
Pat Hayes (02)
On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Obrst, Leo J. wrote: (03)
> The division between Neats and Scruffies goes back in AI to at least the late
>1970s-early 1980s and probably before. I remember fighting those
>nomenclature/scientific stance wars in the mid-1980s. We tried to at one point
>to clarify this as a distinction between rationalists and empiricists, and
>made some traction. However, most of us working in ontologies these days are
>both, with a predilection to one of those poles. I myself am a scruffy neat.
>Oh wait …
>
> Thanks,
> Leo
>
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Courtney
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> To: edbark@xxxxxxxx; [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] [Fwd: War of the Ontological World - short
>article by Andrey Rzhetsky]
>
> I attended the SemTech conference this last June in San Francisco. This
>conference is oriented toward business uses rather than academic ones and so
>was mostly concerned about how to make ontologies work and not who had the
>"best" ontology. This may have affected their division of the world into
>"scruffies" and "neats" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neats_vs._scruffies)
>with the "neats" being those who seek a more rigorous ontology that
>incorporates provability and the "scruffies" being those who want to link data
>and not worry about how best to represent reality in an ontology. In my
>reading of the article, the Computer Code and Esperanto groups would be like
>the scruffies and the Mathematicians would have an orientation like the neats.
>This gets away from any focus on any one discipline as being allied with one
>or another framework.
>
> Paul
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Ed Barkmeyer <edbark@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Denise Warzel sent this to an ISO group that has some passing relationship to
>ontology work, and is struggling to understand the concept. I thought the
>Ontolog Forum might find it 'interesting'. I certainly think there is
>validity in the characterizations of the viewpoints, although I rather resent
>the choices of group designations, being a mathematician who mostly supports
>the 'computer code' viewpoint.
>
> -Ed
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: SC32WG2-INTEREST: War of the Ontological World - short
>article by Andrey Rzhetsky
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:38:24 -0400
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>
> a paper that does a good job on identifying the different perspectives of
>what is an Ontology and how should it be used...
>
>
> Denise Warzel
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