And another ostrich hits the sand. (01)
-Rich (02)
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
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[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Christopher Spottiswoode
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:05 PM
To: Pat Hayes; [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology Chemistry -
foundation and method (04)
Ah, Pat, (others may see his contribution appended
below) I had been
wondering if you would threaten to slam your
habitual supposed ace of
trumps down on my play of my hand. But I had
thought it more probable
later, if at all, on the assumption that in your
old age (You are after
all only a few years short of my 70 ...) you would
have grown more
broad-minded, curious and patient, and not leap so
readily to such
necessarily poorly-informed judgment on a picture
still unfolding... (05)
But I'm ready to play along, even after such
blanket comment, as I did
invite Community steering of my introductory
dot-joining tracing-out of
some of the many aspects of this unusual elephant
that is my Challenge
suggestion. (That invitation was at this point in
my first post:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2011-1
0/msg00088.html#nid011.) (06)
I can usually adapt. (Mens sana in corpore sano,
and I do regularly and
enjoyably keep nimble in the mountains near my
home. Ok, that's now
enough from me of ad hominem points on both of
us.) (07)
So, Pat, firstly, thanks for the shove! (08)
Now, to Pat and everybody else: (09)
I offer to jump ahead in my provisional plan, and
with my next post
proceed directly to a technical outline of the
suggested Challenge
target. (010)
The advantage seems clear: you would expect
sooner to have something
between your teeth which you could comfortably
relate to your normal way
of viewing and doing your job. One might also
think that this is what
potential Challenge entrants would expect to see. (011)
The downside, however, is that such an outline
would at best require
much tedious context-adjustment, clarification and
justification, and at
worst risks inappropriate pouring of new wine into
old bottles. New
paradigms tend to be like that, and they tend to
transform many jobs.
The need now is for me to describe and convey the
whole picture as best
I can and with your ongoing constructive input.
Then we would be better
positioned for our joint refinement of the more
appropriate definition
of the target for potential Challenge entrants as
well as for the
downstream management of the Challenge and
eventual judging of candidate
products. (012)
Could I have some votes in this informal ballot on
those alternatives,
please? Online or offline as you choose, and no
holds barred. (013)
I summarize the above alternatives: (014)
1. I stick to my intended course, hopefully with
your continual input
in due course (especially once I've offered more
specifics); or (015)
2. I jump ahead now to a technical view but then
continually zigzag
between it and the more waffly-seeming background
that adds the wider
perspectives that really define and differentiate
it. (016)
TIA,
Christopher (017)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Hayes" <phayes@xxxxxxx>
To: "Christopher Spottiswoode" <cms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-forum]"
<ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology Chemistry -
foundation and method (018)
Christopher, you have one more chance. If your
next email is as
completely devoid of actual content as this and
the two previous ones,
my mail filters will auto-trash all future emails
with your name on them
anywhere. (019)
Best wishes (020)
Pat Hayes (021)
On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Christopher
Spottiswoode wrote: (022)
> All,
>
> This is the third post of my opening survey of
some aspects of the
> suggested Ontology Chemistry Grand Challenge as
outlined at [0]. The
> first two posts are archived at [1] and [2].
This is a continuation
> of
> the Q&A of [2], which ended with my accepting
the fact that Grand
> Challenges will always appear as impossible
leaps, apparently only for
> foolhardy mental cases. I had promised more
reassuring perspectives. (023)
[CS]: Here I've cut the rest of my post that Pat
had included. (024)
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