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Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology Chemistry - foundation and method

To: "Christopher Spottiswoode" <cms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:27:19 -0500
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Goodbye, Christopher.    (01)

Pat    (02)

On Oct 24, 2011, at 6:05 PM, Christopher Spottiswoode wrote:    (03)

> Ah, Pat, (others may see his contribution appended below) I had been
> wondering if you would threaten to slam your habitual supposed ace of
> trumps down on my play of my hand.  But I had thought it more probable
> later, if at all, on the assumption that in your old age (You are after
> all only a few years short of my 70 ...) you would have grown more
> broad-minded, curious and patient, and not leap so readily to such
> necessarily poorly-informed judgment on a picture still unfolding...
> 
> But I'm ready to play along, even after such blanket comment, as I did
> invite Community steering of my introductory dot-joining tracing-out of
> some of the many aspects of this unusual elephant that is my Challenge
> suggestion.  (That invitation was at this point in my first post:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2011-10/msg00088.html#nid011.)
> 
> I can usually adapt.  (Mens sana in corpore sano, and I do regularly and
> enjoyably keep nimble in the mountains near my home.  Ok, that's now
> enough from me of ad hominem points on both of us.)
> 
> So, Pat, firstly, thanks for the shove!
> 
> Now, to Pat and everybody else:
> 
> I offer to jump ahead in my provisional plan, and with my next post
> proceed directly to a technical outline of the suggested Challenge
> target.
> 
> The advantage seems clear:  you would expect sooner to have something
> between your teeth which you could comfortably relate to your normal way
> of viewing and doing your job.  One might also think that this is what
> potential Challenge entrants would expect to see.
> 
> The downside, however, is that such an outline would at best require
> much tedious context-adjustment, clarification and justification, and at
> worst risks inappropriate pouring of new wine into old bottles.  New
> paradigms tend to be like that, and they tend to transform many jobs.
> The need now is for me to describe and convey the whole picture as best
> I can and with your ongoing constructive input.  Then we would be better
> positioned for our joint refinement of the more appropriate definition
> of the target for potential Challenge entrants as well as for the
> downstream management of the Challenge and eventual judging of candidate
> products.
> 
> Could I have some votes in this informal ballot on those alternatives, 
> please?  Online or offline as you choose, and no holds barred.
> 
> I summarize the above alternatives:
> 
> 1.  I stick to my intended course, hopefully with your continual input
> in due course (especially once I've offered more specifics);  or
> 
> 2.  I jump ahead now to a technical view but then continually zigzag
> between it and the more waffly-seeming background that adds the wider
> perspectives that really define and differentiate it.
> 
> TIA,
> Christopher
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pat Hayes" <phayes@xxxxxxx>
> To: "Christopher Spottiswoode" <cms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology Chemistry - foundation and method
> 
> 
> Christopher, you have one more chance. If your next email is as
> completely devoid of actual content as this and the two previous ones,
> my mail filters will auto-trash all future emails with your name on them
> anywhere.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Pat Hayes
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Christopher Spottiswoode wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> This is the third post of my opening survey of some aspects of the
>> suggested Ontology Chemistry Grand Challenge as outlined at [0].  The
>> first two posts are archived at [1] and [2].  This is a continuation
>> of
>> the Q&A of [2], which ended with my accepting the fact that Grand
>> Challenges will always appear as impossible leaps, apparently only for
>> foolhardy mental cases.  I had promised more reassuring perspectives.
> 
> [CS]:  Here I've cut the rest of my post that Pat had included.
> 
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