Re: [ontolog-forum] SOA organised with RDF - Use Case

[Matthew West <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Bart,

My experience is that when people start trying to solve a problem like this they do not start by thinking "I should look for an existing standard to help me with this" and if they do they usually think that whatever they find is too complicated for what they need. What they do is they get on with solving the problem at hand. After a while they may have enough understanding that they can see that the problem is not as simple as they thought, and perhaps using an existing standard would be a good idea, but often they will just conclude that they should make what they are doing a (new) standard - after all they must understand things better than those who have gone before.

Hence: "The nice thing about standards is there are so many to choose from"

 

Regards

Matthew West

On 1 October 2011 18:43, Bart Gajderowicz <bgajdero@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Duane, Jeff, Matthew,
Thank you for your responses and for clarifying the issue.

Clearly there are standards that allow for dynamically altering the
ontologies. I'm wondering what the issues for Frank's use-case were
then? Perhaps it was easier to build the models from scratch rather
than using a set of standards. Especially since they were building
something that would not be made available to the outside world.
Unless part of the requirements, it can be a daunting task to abide by
standards. I think Jeff's point (3) adresses this.

I will see if I can investigate this use-case further.

On 30 September 2011 03:56, Matthew West <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Bart,
>
> His real objection is to a fixed ontology rather than a standard one, he
> needs to be able to extend the ontology and correct it as time passes, and
> his idea of a standard ontology is that you cannot do that. This of course
> is not true. For example, ISO 15926 is designed to be extensible, with a
> small fixed core that supports that extensibility, and the standards process
> allows even that to be updated (though it hasn't been yet in 8 years).
>
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>> I thought this post from Frank Carvalho was interesting as an
>> application of ontologies to keep dynamic data and metadata organized.
>>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2011Sep/0167.html
>>
>> It's only RDF, but I find it interesting that a standard SOA ontology
>> is described as a problem. Instead each "type of metainformation has
>> its own ontology".
>>
>> Are standard/upper ontologies only practical for more expressive
>> ontology languages?
>>
>> Is this a unique domain-ontology that simply wouldn't benefit from a
>> standard/upper ontology?
>>
>> --
>> Bart Gajderowicz, MSc.
>> Ryerson University
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