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Re: [ontolog-forum] Self Interest Ontology

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From: "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:16:34 -0400
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Rich, Matthew, Joanne,    (01)

I deleted the phrase "going offline" in the title, since there
is a strong interest in the topic.    (02)

RC
> examples, including political ones, are needed to illustrate
> points in self interest.    (03)

There is nothing wrong with political examples.  The complaints
were about details that get into contentious modern issues.
There are plenty of historical examples that can be used --
for example, the Federalist Papers about the US Constitution.    (04)

But to define SelfInterest, you need the concept of Self and
Interest.  That requires a definition of Life, LivingThing,
Purpose.  My suggestion to use semiotics would provide a good
foundation that would include life as a special case of
Animate, which would include intelligent machines.    (05)

To define Government, you need the concept Community and many
other issues.  So it will be a long time before we get to
the Federalist Papers.  When we get there, the modern issues
would be trivial extensions that can be taken offline.    (06)

RC
> Speaking of purposive action, the following paper and slide show
> re AIXI would seem appropriate for controlling an agent interpreting
> the ontology with evaluation of self interest.  The paper is at:
>
> http://www.hutter1.net/ai/skcunai.pdf
> and the slide show in PDF format is at
> http://www.hutter1.net/ai/aixigentle.pdf    (07)

That is Marcus Hutter's super general probabilistic AI.  Following
is a quotation from the aixigentle.pdf paper:    (08)

Marcus H:
> Playing chess optimally or solving NP-complete problems become trivial,
> but driving a car or surviving in nature donít. This is because it is
> a challenge itself to well-define the latter problems, not to mention
> presenting an algorithm.    (09)

In other words, he is ignoring all the issues of ontology and starting
with a "pure" mathematical system.  I would apply George Polya's parody
of the typical mathematician to what Hutter says:    (010)

Polya:
> This theory is so perfectly general that no particular application
> of it is possible.    (011)

ML
> I would be happy to be included in its continued discourse, but
> would be even more delighted if the ontology focused on lower levels
> of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, in terms of survival--with special
> attention aimed at characterizing fitness as composed by a person's
> trajectory toward desired metabolic, physical, emotional, cognitive
> and ??? phenotypes.    (012)

I would consider that more promising than starting with Hutter's theory.    (013)

JL
> I am interested in it from then perspective of motivation and incentives
> for health related behaviors, and also what role the web plays and can
> play in positively motivating a healthy self interest in health.    (014)

Those are also important issues that bring in the concepts of Health,
Behavior, Motivation, Role, RolePlaying, etc.    (015)

Since I mentioned semiotics, I'll suggest a starting point that shows
what I mean by semiotics.  For an overview, see pp. 3 to 9 of    (016)

    http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/rolelog.pdf
    The Role of Logic and Ontology in Language and Reasoning    (017)

I would also suggest many of the ideas in Cyc as a basis, but I would
prefer to reorganize the Cyc categories along the lines of a Peircean
style of semiotics.    (018)

John    (019)

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