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From: Cory Casanave <cory-c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 15:42:06 -0400
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Doug/Azamat,
A set of actions is certainly one potential part of or viewpoint of a plan, but 
to say that is what a plan is seems a stretch, at least from that ordinary 
business and systems modeling perspective I tend to come from.  I would say 
that a plan can encompass any desired state of things, actions, laws and the 
relations between them.  A blueprint is a plan as is flight plan as is a 
proposed bill in congress.      (01)

So I would think a plan is then some kind of relation between the planning 
entity and the intended states and/or laws and/or actions.  I thought such a 
set of intended states and actions was a possible world, but there is far too 
much voodoo around that for me to say at this point.    (02)

-Cory    (03)

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On Sat, July 30, 2011 6:29, sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx said:
> Azamat,
> What you say below is consistent with what I said.  Just one 
> qualification:  a plan is always a list of *proposed* actions.    (05)

To be more specific, a plan is a list of proposed classes of actions.
There would almost always be an unlimited number of possible actual actions 
that would fit within the constraints of the plan.  In a rigidly structured 
system, such as chess, a plan might include all possible actions.    (06)

-- doug f    (07)

> After
> the plan is executed, they can be discussed as completed actions.  But 
> as long as it remains a plan, they are in the future.  And as Robert 
> Burns said, "The best laid plans o' mice and men gang aft agley."
> Don't count your planned chickens before they're hatched.
>> It's a bit abstract even for a top-down planning
> approach. Any plan is a
>> list of actions and a set of
> hierarchical goals, constrained by timing and
>> resources.
> Formulated/created by planning and forecasting, a plan/program
>>
> is an ordered set: <actions, timing, resources, goals>.
>>
> Practiced planning classifications, from the general schema of things 
> to
>
>> projects, strategies, roadmaps and guidelines, master plans and
> blueprints
>> to social plans, political plans, economic plans,
> business plans, or
>> military plans, favour such a pragmatic
> meaning.
>> Try your approach for a strategy, a plan of action,
> political, economic,
>> business, or military, like, say, U.S.
> plan to invade Iraq. Or, for
>> budget, pension plan or employee
> savings plan. Or, for a master plan of
>> sustainable development.
>
>> Azamat
>> PS: It appears planning/forecasting is a key
> characteristic of
>> intelligence.
> I agree with the PS --
> and many animals, including mice, have sufficient intelligence to make 
> plans.
> John
>
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