[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [ontolog-forum] 3D+1 (was presentism...was blah blah blah)

To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: FERENC KOVACS <f.kovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 17:32:16 +0000 (GMT)
Message-id: <945490.67585.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi, I am back, hopefully more disciplined this time.
Ian, here's a non-philosophical way to characterize it. Start with an atomic sentence of the form R(a, b), with no time involved, and suppose that a and b here are ordinary uncontroversial physical objects, say. Intuitively, they are 3D things. Now add time, t. Where do we put the time parameter? Several answers can be given.By way of a naive, as usual, question, I wonder if the above could not be syntactically summarized as

1. R(a,b)@t
2. R@t(a,b)
3. R(a@t,b@t)
It depends how you define the concept of relation. If you do not limit it to the usual relations usd in formal logic, you have the problems already disclosed.
But if you accept that relations are operations represented by verbs, and verbs either identify a state or an action, then a different system (of ontology) may be envisaged and devised.
Time is a concept that is defined in terms of change. It is measured by noticing such change of place of an object measuring time (the change). Hence time as an infinite concept means no change, and as finite concept it is identical with a change, whether the oscillations of an atom, or the paths of the illusionary movement of the celestal bodies.
In GOLORP, an uper ontology that I am in the process of defining an object created by man is a concept with triple verbalisation, namely a noun, refering to an object, a relation, producing that concept (created by abstraction) and the quality or property of that object produced.
Take for example
Change, which is the verb (the realtion), the noun (the object) and it has two properties, changing and changed, where channging is the sense of a state or process of an object existing, and changed is the new state of the object. So an object goes from present to past whenever it is counted, or identified as being either in a non completed state of changing, or in a completed change of state. Thus the adjective as properties tell you what a realtion results in when affecting an object.
Of course, you may also assume another object to influence this object, and ultimately you will aslo find out that relation operation, change and energy are different names for the same concept.

Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/  
Config Subscr: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/  
Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/
Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ 
To join: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid1J
To Post: mailto:ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    (01)

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>