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Re: [ontolog-forum] Quality

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From: "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:13:24 -0800
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Hi Jack,

 

Comments below:

-Rich

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

EnglishLogicKernel.com

Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Ring
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:24 PM
To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Quality

 

Be sure to put that conspicuously on your proposal for developing ontologies. Customers deserve to be warned.

 

You can put your own stamp of quality on any ontology at this point.  The value of an ontology is still debatable, so why think about quality when you can only speculate about what might be chosen by the market.  I.e., what function do you expect an ontology to perform, and how is that task met with appropriate values or costs spent.  Then you might realistically formulate a value function to gauge quality with.  Before that, it’s like arguing about what constitutes beauty, happiness, or truth, angels dancing on a pin, choose your highest quality metaphor.  

 

-Rich

 

On Dec 16, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Rich Cooper wrote:



Agreed; applying knowledge about how to manage quality of a step and repeat process makes sense, but only to another step and repeat process.  Software is definitely not that, despite six decades of trying to do it more reliably and efficiently.  It’s still very much an individual programmer working on a poorly specified problem and finding ways to get acceptable results.  

 

-Rich

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

EnglishLogicKernel.com

Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Price
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:50 AM
To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Quality

 

On 12/16/2010 5:22 PM, Jack Ring wrote:

 

On Dec 16, 2010, at 12:43 AM, Matthew West wrote:

 

 

Matthew,

Thank you for this. 

It is an eloquent description of why software, after 40 years of Software Engineering, is still the lousiest artifact ever devised by mankind. 

A simple lack of belief in  and dedication to Zero Defects(tm). 

 

Jack,

Zero defects is about producing *the same thing* repeatedly and getting the same result ... i.e. Manufacturing. In software system development, almost nothing is ever produced more than once so let's not compare producing bolts with producing ERP systems. I agree that as Larry Johnson is fond of saying, 'Scientists stand on each others shoulders, and software engineers stand on each others toes' so vast improvements can be made - but that still doesn't mean Zero defects as in the Mfg industry makes sense wrt software engineering.

Cheers,
David



 
 
 
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