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From: "AzamatAbdoullaev" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:12:45 +0200
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Azamat wrote: "mind is separable, impassible, unmixed....this alone is immaterial and eternal". It is quite possible that the human brain is the material organ of perception, memory, and imagination ONLY. The mechanims of intelligence/intellect/mind  designed as more intricate, being able to exist and operate apart from the piece of matter like the brain in humans or animals."
Ference asked: "Any evidence to support  this last sentence?
Why mechanisms? More intricate in what sense? How can you separate existence and operation as properties from any object?".
I mentioned in my last: "the intelligence portability and its capacity to take on different forms as mental intelligence, social intelligence, artifical intelligence, networked intelligence, city intelligence, etc."
That means that the ultimate boundary of your mind is not your head, but the largest environment called the universe.
You have to review the so-called Cartesian Mind model assuming the centralized mindset, when mind is viewed as responsible for all intelligent activities, a human being considered as the main source/engine of intellectual powers.
Instead, you need to accept the distributed nature of intelligence, that there is no boundary between an individual mind, cultural artifacts, other minds and the environment. This is the sure way to see how the higher-level intellectual systems emerge, collective knowledge networks and innovative knowledge communities.
To start, i recommend to read the following:
Mind in Society (Vygotsky, 1978)
Turtles, termites and traffic jam (Resnik, 1993)
Natural-born cyborgs: Minds, technologies, and the future of human intelligence (Clark, 2003)
Semantic Reality and Intelligence: the World Wisdom Web (2010)
Think of how a traditional conception of intelligence explains the phenomenon: a flock of birds guided by a leading bird.
Azamat 
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Subject: [ontolog-forum] if you cannot measure

Azamat wrote:
"By contrary, the intellect deals with abstractions, concepts, notions, or imageless thoughts and ideas marked by universality."

The list above is a list of synonyms, none of which are defined properly anywhere. Intellect, reason, mind, thinking. spirit and soul are similar floating categories. But there is no such thing as a synonym. What you have is a list of words that can be replaced by one another, with the consequence of pulling the related connotations in focus as well.

Azamat wrote:
"mind is separable, impassible, unmixed....this alone is immaterial and eternal". It is quite possible that the human brain is the material organ of perception, memory, and imagination ONLY. The mechanims of intelligence/intellect/mind  designed as more intricate, being able to exist and operate apart from the piece of matter like the brain in humans or animals."
Any evidence to support  this last sentence?
Why mechanisms? More intricate in what sense? How can you separate existence and operation as properties from any object?
Ferenc



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