Re: [ontolog-forum] the justfication for chinese logic/mould theories

[Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Ravi

I am also preparing a counter argument that deriving 'different categories' does not necessarily imply
any different logic 

I find an interesting snippet of work by a guy called Duns Scotus, apparently a scotsman who lived in the early middle ages
who considered categories a logical formalization, his work on Aristoteles apparently little known til a recent publication
by Pini

some here
http://shell.cas.usf.edu/~twilliam/pini.htm

Metaphysically, the various categories are irreducibly distinct from each other -- substance has no feature in common with quality, for example. But logically, the intellect can understand them all under a common concept. In Chapter Six, Pini shows how Scotus applies his understanding of the logical consideration of the categories in interpreting the Categories as a work of logic dealing with the way we know the most general genera of beings -- sometimes by ignoring questions that Scotus regarded as properly metaphysical and therefore as out of place in a logical work

Would like to know how separable are language, culture and understanding?

I would say that they can be perceived as separate by the human congnitive approach and mental schemas that  'distinguishes' different aspects of something to make sense of it


but then again it may take me a while to find the justification for that

:-)


cheers

P

 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

John

to sum up some of the discussions we have had over this which have been lingering at the back of my head

1. from empirical observation based on my direct experience in different countries, I conjectured in various threads (posts dating back to 2007) that it looks to me that some people in some cultures think differently, pointing to this rather vague argument called 'there must be a chinese logic'

2. you and others argued that all logical systems are based on FOL (if I remember correctly) and that logical reasoning is not different between east and west

I have managed to do some reading on the subject (got on a train ride at last)

the book I pointed in another thread you commented on

>
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zVOWoXDunp8C&dq=complex+systems+logic&source=gbs_navlinks_s

: _Chaotic Logic: Language, Thought,
and Reality from the Perspective of Complex Systems Science_.
In this book, Ben Goertzel

contains lots of precious stuff for me


In particular, I think I have found some  justification for my argument above
on pages 94/96 and 97 in what is referred to as mould theories

Sapir-Whorf being one of these kinds
http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/short/whorf.html

Mould theories represent language as 'a mould in terms of which thought categories are cast' (Bruner et al. 1956, p. 11


ie:  Language guides our categorization of the world

(Lot more in that book that is relevant to the discussions on semantics, meaning and the lot that we are having on this list
but maybe more comments later)

comment welcome
cheers
PDM








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