Re: [ontolog-forum] memory loss

[Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@xxxxxxxxx>]

All art forms are expressions and used to enhance congitive skills and or sooth a human mind to function well.   A supportive role.   There has been a lot of studies done to show the need to include arts especially music and drawing in early childhood!   But that alone does no suffices all the education needs!

 

It only helps to develop human mind with cohesiveness and development in an indirect form..  ( Which I think is a supportive role to human mind and thinking.).. Adds to softskills, communication, expressions, cohesive thinking...  Helps to enjoy life in a aesthetic way..  

 

Science and Technology provides solutons for touniversal and human problems! ( These are the hard skills..)

 

Once there is a mastery  in perticular area of Sceince & Technology, ( or a solution)  the roles are underplayed for aesthetics ( arts) in real world...   Which I think is a management technique!

 

For example,   treatment for HIV AIDS  have to found by a science oriented person, however one can use music and arts to sooth and ease the pain of the person...   But muisic and arts  will not  save his life.  If medical science provides that option to save life ( which is very difficult..) the  arts can hel to sooth  the pain, to certain extent, but may need medication ( science solution )  to deal with phyiscal pain.. ..

 

No one underplays the aesthetics,  but underplaying science and technology will not take human race anywhere !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Ian Bailey <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Ian Bailey <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] memory loss
To: "'[ontolog-forum] '" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 2:58 AM

Hi Randall,

You wrote "The relatively small minority of people with the cognitive abilities and proclivities to do science and engineering are enough to move the human race forward"

Aside from the inference that artists haven't moved the human race forward, I don't think you can lump engineers and scientists together quite so easily. The two communities think very differently, and probably have very different "cognitive abilities". Most scientists would argue that engineers don't actually have any cognitive abilities, and we'd be happy to bandy insults with them too, if we thought they'd get the joke.

It's true that engineers tend to use the products of scientific discovery (at least the 1% of those that actually stand true outside the laboratory), but I think it requires a different mindset to be a good engineer to that required to be a good scientist.


Cheers
--
Ian




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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Randall R Schulz
Sent: 11 October 2009 19:29
To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] memory loss

On Sunday October 11 2009, Paola Di Maio wrote:
> Ravi
> as humans, we err, and as societies, we err in corresponding orders
> of magnitude (there is an opposing argument to collective
> intelligence, which is collective stupidity)
>
> I am always surprised what humanity has managed to achieve (the
> actual), especially when we compare it to what we manage
> not to achieve (the potential). Amazing to see how far we got, given
> the inherent limitations of our human nature

The relatively small minority of people with the cognitive abilities and
proclivities to do science and engineering are enough to move the human
race forward. With their contributions in circulation, exploitation of
novel developments is easy and never requires anything like the depth
of understanding required to realize any given bit of technology (with
its attendant scientific underpinnings). This is why we have so many
nasty "side-effects" and "unintended consequences" from our use of
technology—'cause those who make decisions about using the technologies
do so with scant understanding of what accompanies those technologies
and are almost always primarily motivated by their desire to accumulate
wealth with little regard for other predictable outcomes.

And, to be honest, even the genuine experts do not and cannot predict
all of the consequences of a given technology (let alone combinations
or constellations of technologies), but when the unexpected occurs,
they're still the ones who have to figure out what's going on but are
not often the ones who are listened to in figuring out how to respond
to these unforeseen and undesirable results.


> ...
>
> The web (okay, and Google)  is changing everything, including
> allowing this discussion, enabling us to make exponential progress in
> all areas of knowledge (cetainly in my case). For that alone,  I am
> perfectly happy and grateful.

Let's not overestimate Google's essential contribution to either the
potential or current state of realization of networked information
systems. Surely they're big, important players now, but it's largely
incidental; a "right place at the right time with the right tool" kind
of thing. That allowed them to jump ahead of their immediate
predecessors and accumulate a lot of resources that fed their
phenomenal growth, affording them the opportunity to explore so many
fields well beyond Web indexing and search.


> >From here onwards we ll just have to work things out on a daily
> > basis. See what sticks....

That is not a new state of affairs!


> P

Randall Schulz

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