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From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:46:28 -0400
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John F. Sowa wrote:
> Paola,
>
> The first point to emphasize is that the W3C is a very big organization
> with many people with a diverse range of opinions.  In that sense, it is
> like IBM, which has many people like me who often ridicule the pomposity
> of some people who promote the official "party line."
>
> PDM> Are you saying that JSON should be 'acknowledged' by the W3C?
>
> The official dogma of the Semantic Web is "Thou shalt represent every
> kind of language in XML."  Anything contrary to that dogma is "heresy"
> or, in IBM jargon, "counterstrategic".
>
> In any case, following is a W3C report that talks about using JSON
> for serializing the results of a SPARQL query:
>
>     http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-json-res/
>   
JSON is now supported for both tabular and graph results serializations.    (01)

If you look at an DBpedia page, you will notice RDF/JSON in the footer.    (02)

Of course, we haven't waited on the W3C for any blessings, the community 
has simply cracked on with it.    (03)

Ditto HTML+RDFa, which provides a much lower activation threshold for 
bootstrapping a Web of Linked Data than: JSON, N3/Turtle, or RDF/XML.
> That demonstrates that some people in the W3C recognize the value
> of JSON for representing the data, but they aren't ready to admit
> the heresy of claiming that a notation based on JSON might be
> superior to XML for representing the equivalent of RDF and OWL.
>   
See my comments above, basically, there is only one thing second to 
RDF/XML when it comes impediments to Semantic Web Project comprehension, 
and its the wonderful notion of: information and non information 
resources :-(
> But the idea of using JSON (and other notations) as a replacement
> or at least a supplement to XML isn't new.  Following is an example:
>
> http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2007/10/where_json_should_fit_in_xml_l.html
>
> The history of religion shows that there are four ways of dealing with
> heretics:  behead them, excommunicate them, ignore them, or co-opt them.
>   
> To behead anyone who spouts heresy is illegal.  To excommunicate
> them creates enemies that can cause a lot of trouble.  To ignore them
> doesn't create enemies, but they can still be competitors.  The best
> strategy is to co-opt them:  welcome them into the community, adopt
> their approach, rename it, and make it official.
>
> My recommendation for the Semantic Web is to welcome the heresy and
> the heretics.  Admit that the focus of the Semantic Web is semantics.
> The notation should be secondary, and JSON should be just as official
> as anything based on XML.  Instead of fighting JSON, they should
> adopt it as a growth path for the future.
>
> Please don't tell anyone, but one reason why I want the Semantic Web
> to adopt JSON is that it would weaken the hold of XML as the official
> dogma.  The next step in my secret strategy is to promote controlled
> natural languages for representing not only RDF and OWL, but a wide
> range of other notations for logic.  See
>
>     http://www.jfsowa.com/talks/cnl4ss.pdf
>   
I know, I am a major heretic on a mission :-)    (04)

Kingsley
> John
>
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Regards,    (07)

Kingsley Idehen       Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
President & CEO 
OpenLink Software     Web: http://www.openlinksw.com    (08)





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