Azamat:
Here is a link for ancient Nuclear Warfare information & research:
regarding the other information that you have written , I will respond at a later time..
Pavithra
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From: AzamatAbdoullaev <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] example of Science and Indian Scripture blog.. To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 5:19 AM
http://www.geocities.com/lavlesh/More_About_india/ancient_city_found.htm "For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945."6500 BC, Mahabharata:
...a single projectile Charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame As bright as the thousand suns Rose in all its splendour... a perpendicular explosion with its billowing smoke clouds... ...the cloud of smoke rising after its first explosion formed into expanding round circles like the opening of giant parasols...
..it was an unknown weapon, An iron thunderbolt, A gigantic messenger of death, Which reduced to ashes The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. ...The corpses were so burned As to be unrecognisable. The hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke without apparent cause, And the birds turned white.
After a few hours All foodstuffs were infected... ...to escape from this fire The soldiers threw themselves in streams To wash themselves and their equipment.
Very engaging reading. Thank you, Pavithra, for the info about ancient atomic bombs and nuclear warfare. Now i wonder which traditional story this narration belongs: myth, legend, folktale, or just fable. Do we meet here a new branch of mythology, Nuclear Mythology? Then it's time for the western archeologists to leave the ancient Egypt, with its pyramid technologies and immortality techniques as mummies, and move to India, taking its ancient Vedic literature as a research report. It is so mind-boggling: flying machines, astronauts, cosmic projectiles, nuclear weapons, death-rays, and atomic warfare. Maybe, we find out what caused the Tunguska Event: an asteroid's crash or an UFO nuclear reactor or
Tesla's energy weapon. Then we also need to investigate why the U.S. government crushed his inventions, rediscovered from the Atlantis civilizatons: anti-gravity, time-travel, death-ray, beam weapon, and thought machines. Especially, why they quashed the thought machines. Now i have to waste my precious time for its new redicovering. Under Nuclear Mythology, all the legends of the ancient great powers, the Rama Empire, Atlantis, Osiris (the Mediterranean Empire), even the Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction, may find some rationale. What most gladdens me: the soviets and the americans had been wiser than the Atlanteans and the Ramas, to head off a total mutual nuclear devastation.
We need a comprehensive and consistent world view of all things, the past history inclusive, i.e., we need a global ontology as much as never before.
Azamat
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Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] example of Science and Indian Scripture blog..
Dr. Sowa
Here is an example of reserach on Ancient Hindu Scriptures and Science... I got this from a Ravimpillai's blog ...
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Ancient Indian text gives directions on how to make a battery
The Agastya Samhita, an ancient Indian text, gives directions on how to make a battery: "Place a well-cleaned copper plate in an earthenware vessel. Cover it first by copper sulfate and then moist sawdust. After that put a mercury-amalgamated-zinc sheet on top of an energy known by the twin name of Mitra-Varuna. Water will be split by this current into Pranavayu and Udanavayu. A chain of one hundred jars is said to give a very active and effective force." By the way, Mitra- Varuna is now called cathode-anode, and Pranavayu and Udanavayu are to us oxygen and hydrogen, respectively.
http://www.geocities.com/lavlesh/More_About_india/ancient_city_found.htm
Electrical Science
http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage...
Rao Saheb Krishnaji Vajhe had passed the engineering exam in 1891 from Pune. While looking for scriptures related to science, he found a few pages of the Agastya Samhita with Damodar Tryambak Joshi of Ujjain. These belonged to around Shaka Samvat 1550. Later on, after reading the said description in the pages of the Samhita, Dr. M.C.Sahastrabuddhe, the Head of the Sanskrit Department in Nagpur felt that the description was very similar to that of Daniel Cell. So he gave it to P.P. Hole, the Professor of Engineering at Nagpur, with a request to investigate. Agastya's sources were as follows:
Sansthapya Mrinmaya Patre Tamrapatram Susanskritam Chhadyechhikhigriven Chardrarbhih Kashthpamsubhih. Dastaloshto Nidhatavyah Pardachhaditastah Sanyogajjayte Tejo Mitravarunsangyitam. —(Agastya Samhita)
"Take an earthen pot, place a copper sheet, and put the shikhigreeva in it. Then, smear it with wet sawdust, mercury and zinc. Then, if you join the wires, it will give rise to Mitravarunashakti."
When Mr. Hole an his friend started preparing the apparatus on the basis of the above description, they could understand all the things except shikhigreeva. On checking the Sanskrit dictionary, they understood that it meant the neck of a peacock. So, he and his friend went to Maharaj Bagh and asked the chief when a peacock would die in his zoo. This angered the gentleman. Then they told him that they needed its neck for an experiment. The gentleman asked them to give in an application. Later, when during a conversation, they narrated this to an Ayurveda expert, he burst out laughing and said that here it did not mean the neck of a peacock, but a substance of that colour, that is copper sulphate. This solved the problem. Thus, a cell was formed and measured with a digital multimeter. It had an open circuit voltage of 1.38 volts and short circuit current of 23 milli amperes.
The information that the experiment was successful was conveyed to Dr. M.C. Sahastryabuddhe. This cell was exhibited on August 7, 1990 before the scholars of the fourth general meeting at the Swadeshi Vigyan Sanshodhan Sanstha, Nagpur. It was then realised that the description was of the electric cell. They investigated as to what the context was and it was realised that Sage Agastya had said many things before this.
Anen Jalbhangosti Prano Daneshu Vayushu Evam Shatanam Kumbhanamsanyogkaryakritsmritah. —(Agastya Samhita)
He says that if we use the power of 100 earthen pots on water, then water will change its form into life-giving oxygen and floating hydrogen.
Vayubandhakvastren Nibaddho Yanmastake Udanah Swalaghutve Bibhartyakashayanakam. —(Agastya Samhita-Shilp Shastra)
If hydrogen is contained in an air tight cloth, it can be used in aerodynamics, i.e. it will fly in air.
Kritrimswarnarajatalepah Satkritiruchyate —(Shukra Niti) A layer of polish of artificial gold or silver is called satkriti (good deed.) Yavksharamyodhanau Sushaktjalsannidhau. Aachhadyati Tattamram Swarnen Rajten Va Suvarnliptam Tattamram Shatkumbhmiti Smritam. —(Agastya Samhita)
In an iron vessel and in a strong acidic medium, gold or silver nitrate covers copper with a layer of gold or silver. The copper that is covered by gold is called shatakumbha or artificial gold.
Rao Saheb Vajhe, who spent his life in rummaging the Indian scientific scriptures, and discovering various experiments, gave different names to electricity on the basis of the Agastya Samhita and other scriptures and that electricity is created in different ways.
1. Lightning—created by friction of silken cloth 2. Saudamini—created from friction of gems. 3. Electricity—created by clouds 4. Shatakumbhi—created by 100 cells or pots 5. Hridani—stored or assimilated electricity 6. Ashani—born of magnetic bar.
Agastya Samhita also contains an account of how electricity can be used for electroplating. He also discovered a way to polish gold, silver, and copper with a battery. Hence, Agastya is also called one who is `Battery Born'.
(This book is available with Ocean Books(P)Ltd.,4/19, Asaf Ali Road, New Delhi-110 002.)
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From: John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] UK apology for its treatment of Turing To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: paoladimaio10@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 5:56 PM
Pavithra, I would certainly agree that the ancient Indians and other great civilizations of the past had highly developed bodies of knowledge. But a great deal of knowledge has been common to humanity for many millennia. > For example, ancient Indians knew that one needs oxygen from the > air to be alive and vibrant.. and called it "Pranavayu" and > many yogas still revolves around circulating oxygen within the > different parts of ones body .. from head to toe to rejuvenate > the body... such knowledge is science and today's science agrees > with it.. Yes, but I doubt that they had done the experiments to distinguish the components O and N. It's hard to believe that there were any human societies that did not understand the need to breathe. It's also hard to distinguish discoveries made by different civilizations across the silk road
from China to Egypt and Greece. They had been trading, communicating, and fighting with each for thousands of years. Following is a book co-authored by Karl-Erik Sveiby (the man who coined the term 'Knowledge Management') and an Australian aborigine named Tex Skuthorpe: http://treadinglightly.sveiby.com/The title is "Treading Lightly" and the subtitle is "The Hidden Knowledge of the World's Oldest People" -- that is the accumulated wisdom of the native Australians who had been isolated from other human societies for about 40,000 years. For various articles by Sveiby, including material related to that book and other material related to knowledge management, see http://www.sveiby.com/articles/John
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