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Rich,
Objects have form and content - these are concepts
or windows through which we look at whatever is there outside. This duality is
in body and soul, etc.too.
Now if you do not recognize an object (as something
blocking your view in Latin) the you must control your distance to the
object. the distance is basically controlled by emotions - fear if you want to
go away - curiosity you want to go closer - the output is action, that is the
point.
If you cannot recognize the form, for instance,
becauxe the contours are blurred or fuzzy, or the size is too small, etc. and
you cannot change focus or distance, then you recognize content based on your
previous experience. Content is a property, a product of abstraction, anything
you have already seen with a matching property will help.
this is how then you identify it: a
UFO
Bootstrapping is needed but you get that through
childhood before language is acquired. And to notice a property as matching our
stimulus does not call for any verbal clues
Frank
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Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:42
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Semiotic
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Hi
Frank,
No, it still feels
like reverse reasoning ? the answer is logic, lets work back to the question ?
and that has always bothered me about how logic really will be effectively
applied in AI programs. FCA intrigues me, but again it starts with the
already identified objects and properties, so it also starts with the answer
to the question I have: How are those objects and events identified as
individuals, distinguished from each other, and generally disambiguated and
tracked through their trajectory in a discourse?
-Rich
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT
com
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Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 10:37
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To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum]
Semiotic Systems
If we start with just
the two items ? existence detectors and identifiers we still have to define
identity
This is why it is
reasonable to see Relatons, Objects, and Properties as
Triplets:
Relation: needs at
least one object
Objects: existence
detectors
Relation: identify
(verb) identification (operation)
Property: the result
of the above operation to establish existence of identity (identification
established) a match with
Does that make sense
to you?
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Sent:
Saturday, July 18, 2009 5:57 PM
Subject: Re:
[ontolog-forum] Semiotic Systems
Sincerely,
Rich
Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT
com
My problem with events is the
definition of boundaries, the identification of the "pattern" of an event
for the purpose of recognition. Although I see events as a sequence of
temporaly identifieable entities and not as a chain of cause of effect,
because there are many concurrent causes leading to an event (see Petri
nets), I still can see how an event remains very vague and arbitrarily
identified as changes take place at all sorts of scale and places before
they add up to a situation that is no longer identical with the one a second
ago. So this approach does not solve the problem of showing the trajectory
of learning about things, recording it a manner that serves as a good
(and standardized) interface beween FO
components.
RC>
Agreed. Tiny changes make big differences in chaos theories (butterfly
wings ?cause? hurricanes). If we start with just the two items ?
existence detectors and identifiers we still have to define identity.
The only place to go with that is FCA, but that skips over the question of
how you identify the objects and properties BEFORE you start clustering
them. There are missing pieces in the math here, or at least the
realities are not fully modeled yet.
-Rich
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