Re: [ontolog-forum] Semiotic Systems

["FERENC KOVACS" <f.kovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

how you identify the objects and properties BEFORE you start clustering them?

The first step is step one. Everything starts with one. Concept, word, object, anything. So most of the real numbers start with one.

Consciousness starts with one and then it splits in two. inside and outside, me and the mother, me and the world, etc. it goes up to three, the three grammar persons.

The duality of things remains however, as we can focus to one plane, and waht is in the focus is one, and what is outside the focus is two. So we have a quantiy of two, which corresponds to existence and its opposite as experienced in perception (focusing and shifting)

then you have the twinned concepts, form and content, quantity and quality. Then the others generic specific and abstract and concrete. these are used in folding operations too.

Only then you will have objects as triplets

Frank 

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From: Rich Cooper

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Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

EnglishLogicKernel.com

Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

 

FERENC KOVACS wrote

 

Rich,

My problem with events is the definition of boundaries, the identification of the "pattern" of an event for the purpose of recognition. Although I see events as a sequence of temporaly identifieable entities and not as a chain of cause of effect, because there are many concurrent causes leading to an event (see Petri nets), I still can see how an event remains very vague and arbitrarily identified as changes take place at all sorts of scale and places before they add up to a situation that is no longer identical with the one a second ago. So this approach does not solve the problem of showing the trajectory of learning about things, recording it a manner that serves as a good (and standardized) interface beween FO components.

 

RC> Agreed.  Tiny changes make big differences in chaos theories (butterfly wings ?cause? hurricanes).  If we start with just the two items ? existence detectors and identifiers we still have to define identity.  The only place to go with that is FCA, but that skips over the question of how you identify the objects and properties BEFORE you start clustering them.  There are missing pieces in the math here, or at least the realities are not fully modeled yet. 

 

-Rich

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